CJ Watson puts up 40

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hatvol96 said:
Golden State is near the top of the league in scoring, yet they suck. Seems like making their defense even worse wouldn't help much.
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Your lack of response on the offensive side of the discussion tells me you can't disagree that Curry helps the offense be as productive as Ellis.

Therefore, if Ellis is so important to keep that defense from getting 'even worse,' then how much of his $11 million salary is worth keeping Kobe from scoring 60 instead of just 44?
 
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hatvol96 said:
Good to see the experience he gained putting up big numbers for a crappy team his final season at Davidson is coming in handy at the professional level.
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And that says what about Ellis? Or Tyreke Evans? Or Eric Gordon?
 
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milohimself said:
The Pau Gasol trade kinda went that way.

Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw (doesn't play like a forward...) just went to the Clips for Camby. Although LA isn't looking to get better.

Zach Randolph went to the Grizzlies for Quentin Richardson.

But yeah, generally doesn't happen.

Nice game for CJ Watson, and a good guy. But Golden State doesn't have the ownership or management that it takes to be a winning team in the Western Conference, and if they were thinking about trading Monta Ellis in favor of CJ Watson and Stephen Curry, that would be another prime example why. They are honestly, at best, a combo you put in off the bench for 5-10 minutes when you need quick points in the 2nd or 3rd quarters.
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The point is that Curry and Ellis don't really fit with each other and GS needs to do something, because they are just dysfunctional. They had opportunities to get better with offers for Ellis or Maggette. Considering some outside interest in Ellis, the chatter has been that if the Warriors thought Watson was someone that could come in and play significant minutes (he's better in that 2 spot offensively and defensively and Don Nelson likes to play smaller lineups) then they could potentially ship Ellis in a deal to get a bigman. Especially considering their likely draft prospects
 
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hatvol96 said:
1. The Grizzlies got Marc Gasol and that was a salary dump.
2. Camby isn't an elite big anymore. In fact, he really never was. That's why he's been traded so many times.
3. Randolph was a salary dump.
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so what.
 
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TennNC said:
And that says what about Ellis? Or Tyreke Evans? Or Eric Gordon?
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Ellis was a key member of a Golden State team that almost won 50 games two years ago. I don't remember Evans or Gordon being unable to raise their teams in college to the level needed to win the Southern Conference.
 
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TennNC said:
Your lack of response on the offensive side of the discussion tells me you can't disagree that Curry helps the offense be as productive as Ellis.
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Ellis is one of the best in the NBA at attacking the basket and can take hits and score. Curry can't do either to any substantial degree. Choosing to keep Curry and jettison Elllis would be right up there with trading Mitch Richmond for Billy Owens and dumping Chris Webber in the pantheon of idiotic moves Nellie has engineered.
 
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Apparently the Warriors could have gotten OJ Mayo for Ellis, but they rejected the trade.

RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Report: Warriors Rejected Mayo For Monta Offer

I can't believe that the Warriors wouldn't have taken this trade. They would have gotten rid of Ellis' contract and I believe a lineup of Curry/Watson at the one and Mayo at the 2 is better than Curry/Watson at the one and Ellis/Curry at the two.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Ellis is one of the best in the NBA at attacking the basket and can take hits and score. Curry can't do either to any substantial degree. Choosing to keep Curry and jettison Elllis would be right up there with trading Mitch Richmond for Billy Owens and dumping Chris Webber in the pantheon of idiotic moves Nellie has engineered.
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Ellis is also one of the best in the NBA at jacking up 30+ shots a game to get his numbers. Ellis is a better option than Curry at the 2, but he is over-payed and overrated.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Ellis is one of the best in the NBA at attacking the basket and can take hits and score. Curry can't do either to any substantial degree.
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If I'm looking to win games, I don't care if someone attacks the basket. I just care if they help their team put the ball inside the basket. And there's a strong case to be made that Golden State is just as efficient doing that without Ellis as with him. And I'm guessing that they could use his $11 million to help in other areas.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I don't mean it to be funny. I mean it as a description of how pathetically soft she is. I'm just waiting for Comcast Bay Area to assign a camera to Momma Curry. Apparently, they didn't get the memo that she is to get at last 15 crowd shots a game.
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Not funny, correct, but another of the many examples of your ability to recycle unfunny material.
 
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hatvol96 said:
It's not a complex concept. Nobody trades a big man worth a damn for a guard, other than idiots and teams looking to move salary. It's NBA 101.
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it's a legitimate reason why teams make trades. you can't discredit that.

and in NBA 101, they would also teach you that guards can be sent in package deals to acquire good post players. it's not a very far out scenario
 
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golfballs03 said:
it's a legitimate reason why teams make trades. you can't discredit that.

and in NBA 101, they would also teach you that guards can be sent in package deals to acquire good post players. it's not a very far out scenario
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Then name the trades where someone has swapped elite big men for backcourt guys.
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TennNC said:
Not funny, correct, but another of the many examples of your ability to recycle unfunny material.
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As opposed to your attempts to sell a skinny. shot happy piece of trash and his camera starved family as a worthwhile NBA player.
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golfballs03 said:
it's a legitimate reason why teams make trades. you can't discredit that.

and in NBA 101, they would also teach you that guards can be sent in package deals to acquire good post players. it's not a very far out scenario
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You don't just up and trade good big guys, ESPECIALLY for guards. You can never have enough good post players, since the NBA game is moving more towards a wide open style. You have to be able to score in the paint and run a halfcourt offense in order to be successful.
 
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TennNC said:
Yet he's still on the team, and they suck again. So I'm guessing the key pieces were elsewhere.
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Good point. Playing with Baron Davis and Ste Jax instead of Stephanie and CJ does make a difference.
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braths said:
You don't just up and trade good big guys, ESPECIALLY for guards. You can never have enough good post players, since the NBA game is moving more towards a wide open style. You have to be able to score in the paint and run a halfcourt offense in order to be successful.
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read milohimself. it happens, but not as straight up trades. it happens in packages. look at the trade for KG.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As opposed to your attempts to sell a skinny. shot happy piece of trash and his camera starved family as a worthwhile NBA player.
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My attempt to sell his family as an NBA player? That doesn't even make sense.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As opposed to your attempts to sell a skinny. shot happy piece of trash and his camera starved family as a worthwhile NBA player.
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I don't need to sell him, regardless of his body build. The fact that he's near the top 50 in scoring, top 20 in assists and top 5 in steals for all NBA players does it.

Not to mention that for his position, he's 10th in scoring, 14th in FG%, 8th in 3Pt %, 7th in rebounds, 15th in assists and 4th in steals.

Not to mention that among rookies....
 
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hatvol96 said:
As opposed to your attempts to sell a skinny. shot happy piece of trash as a worthwhile NBA player.
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Atlanta Hawks vs. Golden State Warriors - Box Score - February 21, 2010 - ESPN

"News: Curry played a team-high 45 minutes and scored a team-high 32 points in Sunday's win over Atlanta.
Spin: Sunday was one of the rare times that Curry has blown up with Monta Ellis in the lineup and playing well (26 points). Curry continues to stuff the stat sheet on a nightly basis and is averaging 23.2 points, 9.2 rebounds, 8.2 assists, 2.6 threes and 2.2 steals over his last five games."
 
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hatvol96 said:
Ellis is one of the best in the NBA at attacking the basket and can take hits and score. Curry can't do either to any substantial degree. Choosing to keep Curry and jettison Elllis would be right up there with trading Mitch Richmond for Billy Owens and dumping Chris Webber in the pantheon of idiotic moves Nellie has engineered.
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Atlanta Hawks vs. Golden State Warriors - Recap - February 21, 2010 - ESPN

"Ellis finished with 26 points for Golden State, but was on the bench for the bulk of the Warriors comeback early in the fourth quarter.

Golden State cut the 18-point lead down to five on two free throws by Curry midway through the period. Curry followed with a 3-pointer and Watson's layup tied the game at 95. Curry capped the 16-0 run with a driving layup to give the Warriors a two-point lead with just over 5 minutes remaining."
 
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