Clarence Thomas in Hot Water (Alito too!)

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Typical of the left.
Trash and destroy the credibility of an institution……until their player gets caught then ignore their involvement while pointing out the past. If you point out their hypocrisy then it’s the “false equivalency “ claim. What do you never see from these jokers? A solution. They don’t want a solution just like they are not concerned about their own inadequacies.

The left strategy is the only one they have as their beliefs and ideas are proven failures……
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Orangeslice13 said:
Typical of the left.
Trash and destroy the credibility of an institution……until their player gets caught then ignore their involvement while pointing out the past. If you point out their hypocrisy then it’s the “false equivalency “ claim. What do you never see from these jokers? A solution. They don’t want a solution just like they are not concerned about their own inadequacies.

The left strategy is the only one they have as their beliefs and ideas are proven failures……
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The solution is for justices to stop taking a bunch of free ish, using their position for personal benefit, adopt a code of ethics like every other judge has to follow, and appoint an ethics counsel to monitor compliance.
 
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McDad said:
Congress can initiate impeachment against any SCJ at any time for any reason.
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Do you believe it's inappropriate for a sitting Supreme Court justice to accept gifts like Thomas or use staff to hock their books like sotomayor?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Do you believe it's inappropriate for a sitting Supreme Court justice to accept gifts like Thomas or use staff to hock their books like sotomayor?
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In the abstract, yes. I would like all people who comprise our 3 branches to be beyond reproach.

In the concrete, there is a difference between a friend giving someone a cigar after dinner and someone giving an official gifts valued at hundreds of thousands dollars.

I do not know if what JCT is accused of doing is accurate, unique, or even egregious compared to SOP in DC.

If proven improper, the people have recourse to remove him through a constitutional solution.
 
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Does anybody posting think that the SCOTUS judges should be subject to the same rules as the rest of the federal judges, or is everybody just upset that Clarence Thomas (depending on your perspective) either a) is being picked on by the mean media or b) did a not okay thing multiple times?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
The solution is for justices to stop taking a bunch of free ish, using their position for personal benefit, adopt a code of ethics like every other judge has to follow, and appoint an ethics counsel to monitor compliance.
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The problem for Congress is that they do it too.

It's a free for all in Washington - everyone who lands there, grifts.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Does anybody posting think that the SCOTUS judges should be subject to the same rules as the rest of the federal judges, or is everybody just upset that Clarence Thomas (depending on your perspective) either a) is being picked on by the mean media or b) did a not okay thing multiple times?
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Yes, I think all federal judges should be held to the same ethics rules. I even think they should be more stringent than they currently are for the lower courts.

Nothing is stopping or was stopping congress from taking action on this.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Does anybody posting think that the SCOTUS judges should be subject to the same rules as the rest of the federal judges, or is everybody just upset that Clarence Thomas (depending on your perspective) either a) is being picked on by the mean media or b) did a not okay thing multiple times?
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Not high on my list of priorities.

How do you enforce it? Never gonna get enough votes for an impeachment. I still haven’t seen one of these stories that seems like a truly big deal other than maybe Sotomayor possibly using government staff.

Thomas looks weirdly pathetic. Like how do you get to the point where your “friends” are heaping charity on you and you’re fine with that as just a perk of your friendship? But I can’t remember any of the stories saying he did anything truly wrong. Some of the stories have been really really stupid.

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clarksvol00 said:
The solution is for justices to stop taking a bunch of free ish, using their position for personal benefit, adopt a code of ethics like every other judge has to follow, and appoint an ethics counsel to monitor compliance.
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Naw, let’s complain when the other team does it and not change anything. Because trusting them not to do it seems to be working so well
 
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hog88 said:
Yes, I think all federal judges should be held to the same ethics rules. I even think they should be more stringent than they currently are for the lower courts.

Nothing is stopping or was stopping congress from taking action on this.
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It's my understanding there is some debate on what ethics rules congress can impose on the courts and Alito has said nobody can tell them what to do.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Not high on my list of priorities.

How do you enforce it? Never gonna get enough votes for an impeachment. I still haven’t seen one of these stories that seems like a truly big deal other than maybe Sotomayor possibly using government staff.

Thomas looks weirdly pathetic. Like how do you get to the point where your “friends” are heaping charity on you and you’re fine with that as just a perk of your friendship? But I can’t remember any of the stories saying he did anything truly wrong. Some of the stories have been really really stupid.

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I think some of the people lavishing Thomas with gifts are not directly before the court, but the court has decided cases relevant to their industries. One of them is a major donor to a group that files amicus briefs with the court. Seems like a problem when he's getting trips valued in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's not a direct conflict, but it should raise eyebrows.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I think some of the people lavishing Thomas with gifts are not directly before the court, but the court has decided cases relevant to their industries. One of them is a major donor to a group that files amicus briefs with the court. Seems like a problem when he's getting trips valued in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's not a direct conflict, but it should raise eyebrows.
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I guess I would want to see how often he sides with those people and then analyze whether that is inconsistent with his judicial philosophy. I’m not saying it’s definitely not a problem, just saying that the evidence available now is being stretched to make it seem like definitely a problem and even if it is a problem the remedy is unobtainable/unenforceable.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
It's my understanding there is some debate on what ethics rules congress can impose on the courts and Alito has said nobody can tell them what to do.
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Article V of the Constitution provides two ways to propose amendments to the document. Amendments may be proposed either by the Congress, through a joint resolution passed by a two-thirds vote, or by a convention called by Congress in response to applications from two-thirds of the state legislatures.
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Amend the constitution to include an ethics rule for SCOTUS and there isn't a damn thing any justice can do about it,

U.S. Senate: Amending the Constitution.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I guess I would want to see how often he sides with those people and then analyze whether that is inconsistent with his judicial philosophy. I’m not saying it’s definitely not a problem, just saying that the evidence available now is being stretched to make it seem like definitely a problem and even if it is a problem the remedy is unobtainable/unenforceable.
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If an executive from Big Gun takes Clarence Thomas on a lavish hunting trip.

And then in a shocking twist Clarence Thomas rules in favor of 2A gun rights? Is that a problem? A real problem?
 
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85SugarVol said:
If an executive from Big Gun takes Clarence Thomas on a lavish hunting trip.

And then in a shocking twist Clarence Thomas rules in favor of 2A gun rights? Is that a problem? A real problem?
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I think it is a problem because other judges are subject to a code of conduct which probably has some rules about it, but scotus doesn't.
 
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85SugarVol said:
If an executive from Big Gun takes Clarence Thomas on a lavish hunting trip.

And then in a shocking twist Clarence Thomas rules in favor of 2A gun rights? Is that a problem? A real problem?
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That would be consistent with his judicial philosophy, but there’s still a real appearance of impropriety there, maybe a sliding scale of how much of an appearance depending on the timing.

That gets into remedies. What do you do? Require his recusal from the case? What if he just doesn’t? Refuse to enforce laws where he’s in a 5 judge majority? Make it a crime and put him in jail? For all of that, you have to have a filibuster-proof majority in the senate, basically the same as impeachment.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
That would be consistent with his judicial philosophy, but there’s still a real appearance of impropriety there, maybe a sliding scale of how much of an appearance depending on the timing.

That gets into remedies. What do you do? Require his recusal from the case? What if he just doesn’t? Refuse to enforce laws where he’s in a 5 judge majority? Make it a crime and put him in jail? For all of that, you have to have a filibuster-proof majority in the senate, basically the same as impeachment.
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Not a good look, but would seem a stretch for people to imply his vote was “bought” in that scenario.

I don’t know what you do.
 
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hog88 said:
If congress isn't willing to do the work they should STFU and quit crying.
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Politicians can't earn support for themselves so the only other way is to provide a reason to NOT support the other guy or team.
 
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I see a lot of comparisons involving the large number of international vacations, private jet flights and gifts that Clarence Thomas has accepted from billionaires with cases before the court, with "business as usual in D.C."

Samuel Alito has a lot of nerve accusing the media of politicizing the Supreme Court. It's the Justices who are doing that themselves. When you comport yourself like a politician, you will begin to be considered one too.
 
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hog88 said:
If congress isn't willing to do the work they should STFU and quit crying.
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The climate is too tribal right now, for any regulatory action to be taken, and you know it.

Republicans in Congress don't simply think of Clarence Thomas as a Supreme Court Justice. They think of him as being an arm of the Republican Party. Regardless of what he does, they aren't going to allow him to be removed from the bench, any more than they would have allowed Trump to be removed from office. You have to understand that. Your argument is intellectually dishonest.
 
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