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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't think you understand that a "cult" is defined by a strict obedience and devotion towards a particular person or object. In a cult, ideology is irrelevant. The litmus test for inclusion into a cult, doesn't involve anything more than unconditional loyalty and servitude to this one specific person or object. You want only what the cult leader wants. You believe only what the cult leader believes. Sen. Lindsey Graham is the perfect example of an obedient cult follower. When he doesn't think he is being recorded, and feels at ease to speak his true feelings, Graham will be critical of his cult leader, Donald Trump. He only offers praise of Trump, otherwise.... and it's clearly disingenuous. That is what a cult does to the free spirit of the individual. Graham is effectively a prisoner to his own cowardice.

When I say that the Republican Party has devolved into a cult, I'm doing so with their fealty and subservience to Donald Trump in mind. The fact that the Democratic Party has radicalized members, who frequently make illogical statements and engage in irrational behavior, is very unfortunate and worthy of scorn and ridicule, but those characteristics do not define a cult.
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That’s a huge brush that you are painting with and your paint is thin at best . First you say the Republican Party is a cult based on Trump supporters , while explaining that a cult is a devotion and obedience to a person you say Graham is the perfect example when he doesn’t think he’s being recorded . That’s not devoted or obedience, the perfect example would be not caring and not wavering in your convictions if you were in a cult . Now the fun part , using your example of a the GOP being a cult we can easily say that the the left is a cult based on their obsession with all things RBG . Their obsession with a democratic socialist named AOC or a mega wealthy speaker of the house that at best people are hoping is drunk and not just batsh!t crazy .
 
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Weezer said:
The party itself.

There are actually several definitions of cult, based on what source you use. A cult can actually be devoted to a set of ideas. It doesn't have to be a person or an object.
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A cult will always be focused on a living leader. The ideology of the cult is only as important as the leader requires it to be.
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The 8 most notorious cults in the United States over the last 60 years... They all revolved around a central leader. :

1) The Church of Scientology (L. Ron Hubbard succeeded by David Miscavige)

2) The Manson Family (Charles Manson)

3) The Peoples Temple (Rev. Jim Jones)

4) The Branch Davidians (David Koresh - real name Vernon Howell)

5) Heaven's Gate (Marshall Applewhite)

6) The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (most recent president - Warren Jeffs)

7) NXIVM (Keith Ranierre)

8) The Modern Day Republican Party (Donald Trump)
 
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0nelilreb said:
That’s a huge brush that you are painting with and your paint is thin at best . First you say the Republican Party is a cult based on Trump supporters , while explaining that a cult is a devotion and obedience to a person you say Graham is the perfect example when he doesn’t think he’s being recorded . That’s not devoted or obedience, the perfect example would be not caring and not wavering in your convictions if you were in a cult . Now the fun part , using your example of a the GOP being a cult we can easily say that the the left is a cult based on their obsession with all things RBG . Their obsession with a democratic socialist named AOC or a mega wealthy speaker of the house that at best people are hoping is drunk and not just batsh!t crazy .
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We see Graham's obedience on display whenever he must demonstrate it ... and that is when the cameras are rolling and he is invariably kissing Trump's a$$. This devotion does not have to be genuine.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
We see Graham's obedience on display whenever he must demonstrate it ... and that is when the cameras are rolling and he is invariably kissing Trump's a$$. This devotion does not have to be genuine.
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Now double B, that’s a goal post shift . Are you trying to move away from him being the “perfect example “ or away from the left being a cult using the parameters you set out ? 😉
 
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0nelilreb said:
Their obsession with a democratic socialist named AOC
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Fox News talks about Ocasio-Cortez far more than either CNN or MSNBC does. There is an obsession with her, but it's from the people who don't like her and basically stalk her looking for dirt.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Now double B, that’s a goal post shift . Are you trying to move away from him being the “perfect example “ or away from the left being a cult using the parameters you set out ? 😉
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Graham is the best example of cult-like behavior. He has set his own beliefs, values and opinions aside in order to be obedient to the leader of his cult. The devotion has to be there, but it can be insincere.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A cult will always be focused on a living leader. The ideology of the cult is only as important as the leader requires it to be.
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The 8 most notorious cults in the United States over the last 60 years... They all revolved around a central leader. :

1) The Church of Scientology (L. Ron Hubbard succeeded by David Miscavige)

2) The Manson Family (Charles Manson)

3) The Peoples Temple (Rev. Jim Jones)

4) The Branch Davidians (David Koresh - real name Vernon Howell)

5) Heaven's Gate (Marshall Applewhite)

6) The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (most recent president - Warren Jeffs)

7) NXIVM (Keith Ranierre)

8) The Modern Day Republican Party (Donald Trump)
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Each of those leaders preach a set of ideas that their followers are devoted to. A cult can be dedicated to ideas. Please stop pretending that this is false. You're more intelligent than that. At least I hope you are. There does not need to be a designated leader when there is a set of ideas that people blindly follow.

Also, people in cults always deny it's a cult.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Fox News talks about Ocasio-Cortez far more than either CNN or MSNBC does. There is an obsession with her, but it's from the people who don't like her and basically stalk her looking for dirt.
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CNN , MSNBC talks / talked about Trump far more than any Republican I know or ever met . There’s an obsession with him but it’s from people who don’t like him and basically stalking him fir dirt
 
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The definitive characteristic of a cult is blind obedience. Be it to a person, an object, or a set of ideas. Both parties have their sheep, and those sheep exist in a cult-like atmosphere. They blindly believe what they are told.
 
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Weezer said:
Each of those leaders preach a set of ideas that their followers are devoted to. A cult can be dedicated to ideas. Please stop pretending that this is false. You're more intelligent than that. At least I hope you are. There does not need to be a designated leader when there is a set of ideas that people blindly follow.

Also, people in cults always deny it's a cult.
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Wrong. There does have to be a leader, and the leader comes first. Once again, whatever ideology is followed, is only as important as the leader requires it to be.

The 4 Characteristics of a Cult

1) The group is focused on a living leader to whom members display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.

2) The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

3) The group is preoccupied with making money.

4) Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

... and stop the patronizing bull $hit. It's obnoxious.
 
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Weezer said:
The definitive characteristic of a cult is blind obedience. Be it to a person, an object, or a set of ideas. Both parties have their sheep, and those sheep exist in a cult-like atmosphere. They blindly believe what they are told.
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.... to a living leader. Ideology is only as important as the leader mandates.
 
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0nelilreb said:
You are delusional to think that republicans talk about trump more than the left’s propaganda arm . There’s no way you can honestly believe that .
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I disagree. Whatever Trump says goes within the Republican Party ,,,, even when he is obviously lying. Do the Fox News hosts truly believe that the 2020 election was rigged? Or more likely, is that what they have to say, because their cult leader has demanded it?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I disagree. Whatever Trump says goes within the Republican Party ,,,, even when he is obviously lying. Do the Fox News hosts truly believe that the 2020 election was rigged? Or more likely, is that what they have to say, because their cult leader has demanded it?
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Focusing on Trump will get the left demolished in mid terms and in 2024 . I just saw where the dnc spent 6 month trying to rebrand and come up with a new buzz word ..they came up with Ultra Maga . While it worked to get him out , if the left doesn’t let that bone go and focus on what is going on now , you will lose both chambers and the big house on the hill . The irony here is I don’t think you can and Trump will , in the end , be a part of why you lose all the power in the next cycle . But Trump , everybody’s a racist , Twitter , and 400 pronouns won’t help the left this time around .
 
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Weezer said:
Each of those leaders preach a set of ideas that their followers are devoted to. A cult can be dedicated to ideas. Please stop pretending that this is false. You're more intelligent than that. At least I hope you are. There does not need to be a designated leader when there is a set of ideas that people blindly follow.

Also, people in cults always deny it's a cult.
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How Cults Work

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"Cult Leadership Structure"

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"There is no cult without a powerful, charismatic leader. A charismatic leader, has the uncanny ability to get people to follow him unquestioningly. The phrase 'cult of personality' refers to this type of group dynamic. Cult members are devoted to the leader, not to the leader's ideas. The leader has complete control over his followers -- there is no questioning of his decisions, and he is accountable to no one within the group."
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How Cults Work

Underneath :

"Cult Leadership Structure"

(First Paragraph Only)

"There is no cult without a powerful, charismatic leader. A charismatic leader, has the uncanny ability to get people to follow him unquestioningly. The phrase 'cult of personality' refers to this type of group dynamic. Cult members are devoted to the leader, not to the leader's ideas. The leader has complete control over his followers -- there is no questioning of his decisions, and he is accountable to no one within the group."
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Bill Clinton and Barack Obama come to mind.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How so? Who is their object of unconditional loyalty and unwavering devotion?
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Your object of unconditional and unwavering loyalty is the democrat party. You and others are extremely devoted to their ideology. The democrat party fits the definition of a cult based on the definition and characteristics you have provided.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A cult will always be focused on a living leader. The ideology of the cult is only as important as the leader requires it to be.
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The 8 most notorious cults in the United States over the last 60 years... They all revolved around a central leader. :

1) The Church of Scientology (L. Ron Hubbard succeeded by David Miscavige)

2) The Manson Family (Charles Manson)

3) The Peoples Temple (Rev. Jim Jones)

4) The Branch Davidians (David Koresh - real name Vernon Howell)

5) Heaven's Gate (Marshall Applewhite)

6) The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (most recent president - Warren Jeffs)

7) NXIVM (Keith Ranierre)

8) The Modern Day Republican Party (Donald Trump)
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I’m a die hard republican and I hope trump doesn’t even run next time…..so there goes your ignorant post. Good try though, I guess
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Wrong. There does have to be a leader, and the leader comes first. Once again, whatever ideology is followed, is only as important as the leader requires it to be.

The 4 Characteristics of a Cult

1) The group is focused on a living leader to whom members display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.

2) The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

3) The group is preoccupied with making money.

4) Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

... and stop the patronizing bull $hit. It's obnoxious.
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1. The current living leader is Joe Biden. Regardless of how big of a failure he is and how much he embarrasses himself you have people highly devoted to him and refuse to admit their mistake of voting for him. They will use every excuse in the book to vote for him no matter what.

2. I've heard democrats politicians tell their followers they must go knock on doors, talk to their family members, make people uncomfortable for not following their ideas. This is all designed to try and bring in new followers. When they can't win on bringing in new members with their ideas they will try and use guilt and shame in hopes of bringing in new members.

3. Their political donations are there for anyone to see. They are highly obsessed with making money. Not even you can deny that.

4. Tulsi Gabbard and other democrats who begin to question and criticize the party are basically excommunicated from the party. In the same way a religious cult will excommunicate a member. And when Manchin and Sinema recently decided to break from party lines we all know what happened there.

So based on even those characteristics you provided the democrat party is a cult.
 
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Volbucky said:
I’m a die hard republican and I hope trump doesn’t even run next time…..so there goes your ignorant post. Good try though, I guess
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Then there are people like myself who lean right and conservative that want the party to actually be a party of the working class and working people of this country. Josh Hawley and Marco Rubio have even expressed this is what the party should become. And they are correct.

If Trump doesn't run people like BB85 will move on to whatever Republican will be the nominee and that person becomes the main object of their criticism.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A cult will always be focused on a living leader. The ideology of the cult is only as important as the leader requires it to be.
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The 8 most notorious cults in the United States over the last 60 years... They all revolved around a central leader. :

1) The Church of Scientology (L. Ron Hubbard succeeded by David Miscavige)

2) The Manson Family (Charles Manson)

3) The Peoples Temple (Rev. Jim Jones)

4) The Branch Davidians (David Koresh - real name Vernon Howell)

5) Heaven's Gate (Marshall Applewhite)

6) The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (most recent president - Warren Jeffs)

7) NXIVM (Keith Ranierre)

8) The Modern Day Republican Party (Donald Trump)
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Funny how you don't mention your own party and former political leaders like Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin and Stalin.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Your object of unconditional and unwavering loyalty is the democrat party. You and others are extremely devoted to their ideology. The democrat party fits the definition of a cult based on the definition and characteristics you have provided.
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No, it doesn't. The object of devotion has to be to a leader. Cult members are devoted to a leader, not to that leader's ideas. An ideology is only as important as the leader says it is. The leader comes first. I sense some stubbornness here. You are wrong.
 
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