Cliff Lee

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#2
Can u imagine if someone told u a year ago today that the Phillies would put Lee on waivers...
 
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#6
Sorry, thought it would translate... but considering the circumstance of the Phillies a year ago today. First it was rumored he was on the trading block and now they have all but given up on him. He was unhittable at times last year.
 
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_vol said:
Sorry, thought it would translate... but considering the circumstance of the Phillies a year ago today. First it was rumored he was on the trading block and now they have all but given up on him. He was unhittable at times last year.
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That is what's amazing about it to me.
 
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_vol said:
Sorry, thought it would translate... but considering the circumstance of the Phillies a year ago today. First it was rumored he was on the trading block and now they have all but given up on him. He was unhittable at times last year.
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Putting him on waivers is not a result of performance, it's a process that almost all players go through. Trading him was about freeing up money, not because of his performance.
 
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#1ArencibiaFan said:
Putting him on waivers is not a result of performance, it's a process that almost all players go through. Trading him was about freeing up money, not because of his performance.
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If the Phils were 15 games up, we would not be having this discussion. Which is exactly where everyone projected them on the low-end. No one expected this total collapse. That being the point.
 
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_vol said:
If the Phils were 15 games up, we would not be having this discussion. Which is exactly where everyone projected them on the low-end. No one expected this total collapse. That being the point.
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Exactly. If they were up, they wouldn't be "clearing money"
 
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If they were really upset with his performance, they would have traded him, ate a ton of money and received a good prospect package from Texas or they would have just dumped him on the Dodgers, a la Alex Rios from the Jays to the White Sox. I think they were just feeling out offers and considering the possibility of moving him to have more financial flexibility in the future.
 
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_vol said:
If the Phils were 15 games up, we would not be having this discussion. Which is exactly where everyone projected them on the low-end. No one expected this total collapse. That being the point.
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It doesn't have to do with Cliff Lee's performance, as you insinuated. He is still a perfectly good pitcher that the Phillies value, but they were/are just exploring other options with him and the money tied up in his contract.

Internally, they are probably evaluating were they are at as a franchise and when they expect they can compete at a high level again. If they don't feel they are going to be very competitive with Cliff Lee, why not look at options to move him so they can get younger and/or free up money for the future.
 
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#1ArencibiaFan said:
It doesn't have to do with Cliff Lee's performance, as you insinuated. He is still a perfectly good pitcher that the Phillies value, but they were/are just exploring other options with him and the money tied up in his contract.

Internally, they are probably evaluating were they are at as a franchise and when they expect they can compete at a high level again. If they don't feel they are going to be very competitive with Cliff Lee, why not look at options to move him so they can get younger and/or free up money for the future.
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They certainly need to free up money since they gave all that they had left to Hamels.
 
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