Cliff Lee

[005]

That stuff really doesn't matter. Wins and losses is what it comes down to.

When evaluating pitcher performance, that stuff matters more than their win loss record.

Winning baseball games matters to teams, sure. But c'mon .

 

[whocaresgobobcats]

That stuff really doesn't matter. Wins and losses is what it comes down to.

Believe what you want. This point has been disproved many times.

 

[VolsFan4Ever-11]

When evaluating pitcher performance, that stuff matters more than their win loss record.

Winning baseball games matters to teams, sure. But c'mon .

I agree, I just mean winning as a pitcher is a must.

A team won't keep a pitcher if his record is 0-16, but the rest of the advanced stats are good.

 

[615 Vol]

That stuff really doesn't matter. Wins and losses is what it comes down to.

It's hard to win sometimes when you don't get run support and your bullpen sucks.

 

[005]

I agree, I just mean winning as a pitcher is a must.

A team won't keep a pitcher if his record is 0-16, but the rest of the advanced stats are good.

If his advanced stats are totally fine, yeah they will.

 

[whocaresgobobcats]

I agree, I just mean winning as a pitcher is a must.

A team won't keep a pitcher if his record is 0-16, but the rest of the advanced stats are good.

Sure they will, if the peripherals are good, that means the pitcher is doing his job. Somewhere along the way, the bullpen is failing or the offense isn't scoring.

 

[615 Vol]

As a Dodger fan, I don't expect to see Cliff Lee in LA. It's not a bad move to put the claim in because it just makes the new owners look good to the fans, like they're really going all out. It's just something else to put them in the news.

 

[VolsFan4Ever-11]

Sure they will, if the peripherals are good, that means the pitcher is doing his job. Somewhere along the way, the bullpen is failing or the offense isn't scoring.

I agree with some of that, but not the bullpen part, as a whole.

 

[615 Vol]

I agree with some of that, but not the bullpen part, as a whole.

I've seen Papelbon blow quite a few saves.

 

[whocaresgobobcats]

I agree with some of that, but not the bullpen part, as a whole.

What? So a bad bullpen won't lead to a pitcher getting less wins? That's new.

 

[VolsFan4Ever-11]

What? So a bad bullpen won't lead to a pitcher getting less wins? That's new.

I just mean if you had the record of 0-16, it's not going to fall all on the bullpen.

 

[Appalachiamuck]

Sure they will, if the peripherals are good, that means the pitcher is doing his job. Somewhere along the way, the bullpen is failing or the offense isn't scoring.

I agree with some of that, but not the bullpen part, as a whole.

I just mean if you had the record of 0-16, it's not going to fall all on the bullpen.

If a pitcher has good peripherals then there are only two reasons he's 0-16. 1) Horrible run support 2) Bullpen sucks.

 

[Toujours Pret]

That stuff really doesn't matter. Wins and losses is what it comes down to.

Are you playing around, or are you a legitimate dumbass?

 

[Escape Goat]

Can u imagine if someone told u a year ago today that the Phillies would put Lee on waivers...

No joke. What's up with the Dodgers trying to become the Yankees of the National league?