Climate Change Report

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McDad said:
This is accurate in many ways. Well done.

The difference is my skepticism doesn't require a change in the behavior of others by federal mandate or other means. Climatism (nice word, btw...im gonna borrow it) does, or will, require others to change behaviors.
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Probably the best rebuttal to the science/religion argument I have ever heard......now, in a convert or die cult like islam as practiced in the middle east, is that science or religion?
 
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Persian Vol said:
There is a big difference between an inch or a foot in terms of how much trash is needed to elevate the entire planets ocean level. A large volume of trash in the ocean isn’t submerged, but floating on top of the water. Regardless I strongly doubt that there is enough trash on this planet that could be dumped and submerged into the ocean that could result in water elevation like you say. It sounds plausible at first but it really isn’t as plausible as you think it is. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely agree that we need to stop littering the ocean. But for reasons other than water elevation.
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Nothing floats on top of water. Even air, due to density has a displacement value.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
See the Dad's post above.
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But I never said "the government should..."

And what he said isn't entirely true anyway as I still can't buy liquor on Sunday mornings due to religion. Gay people couldn't get married until recently due to religion. Gay people similarly have had trouble adopting due to religion. Marijuana/drug use. I could continue but I'm sure you get the idea.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
But I never said "the government should..."

And what he said isn't entirely true anyway as I still can't buy liquor on Sunday mornings due to religion. Gay people couldn't get married until recently due to religion. Gay people similarly have had trouble adopting due to religion. Marijuana/drug use. I could continue but I'm sure you get the idea.
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Religion didn't dictate ANY of those issues, the government did. We do not live in a theocracy.
 
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As a point of reference, I live in a moist county. The cities are wet, the county is dry. This is a change from just a few years ago where the entire county was dry. The county that I grew up in was dry, then it became wet, then they approved liquor by the drink. I understand what you are saying but your beef is with religion and you are trying to equate that to a beef with climate science with questionable evidence.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So you are saying we aren't making sea levels rise by floating more and more naval, commercial, and pleasure vessels? My boat alone displaces 10+ tons of water, there are millions of vessels larger than mine in the oceans. There's a math problem for you.
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Is this sarcasm?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
We don't live in a theocracy. If you don't understand that then you have a specific beef with religion that I can't help.
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I do if the specific religion is influencing laws in our non-theocratic country. Is there a secular reason you can think of for why it's okay to buy it every other day of the week but not Sunday?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Nothing floats on top of water. Even air, due to density has a displacement value.
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This (what only seems like an attempt to appear smart) point hardly contradicts the argument that there is minimal volume displacement for objects that float on water.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
No he's spot on. Marine traffic is something I didn't list. Couldn't shrink this no more than it is to show the whole world.

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That’s a pretty image, but as far as I know we don’t make boats the size of the state of Massachusetts.

This is one of those thoughts that sound nice in theory, but in reality there is not nearly as many boats in our oceans that could possibly displace the water to a meaningful degree.
 
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Persian Vol said:
That’s a pretty image, but as far as I know we don’t make boats the size of the state of Massachusetts.

This is one of those thoughts that sound nice in theory, but in reality there is not nearly as many boats in our oceans that could possibly displace the water to a meaningful degree.
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No they aren't the size of Massachusetts. But when their displacement is added all together Massachusetts couldn't touch it.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
We don't live in a theocracy. If you don't understand that then you have a specific beef with religion that I can't help.
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Simply because it is not labeled a theocracy doesn’t mean that there aren’t any policies that are based off religious beliefs.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
No they aren't the size of Massachusetts. But when their displacement is added all together Massachusetts couldn't touch it.
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Oh that’s completely false. You can continue to believe this in your head, but to say that there are enough boats in this world to displace the entirety of the oceans sea level to a meaningful degree is absolutely untrue.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
I do if the specific religion is influencing laws in our non-theocratic country. Is there a secular reason you can think of for why it's okay to buy it every other day of the week but not Sunday?
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Got to show up to work Monday?
As a catholic I agree its dumb to not drink anytime you feel like.
A lot of the prohibition/blue laws stemmed from moms being tired of their drunk husbands spending all the money on alcohol and not saving any for the family to buy necessities. Depending on the era/business it was common for people to be paid at the end of the week. Having a day when the man couldnt waste it all helped out families a good bit. The blue laws were more restrictive and have been walked back to just Sundays, or here it's just Sunday mornings.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Oh that’s completely false. You can continue to believe this in your head, but to say that there are enough boats in this world to displace the entirety of the oceans sea level to a meaningful degree is absolutely untrue.
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Those red boats are tankers and cargo ships. You ever stood next to one? If loaded to full weight they're even displacing more water.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
I do if the specific religion is influencing laws in our non-theocratic country. Is there a secular reason you can think of for why it's okay to buy it every other day of the week but not Sunday?
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Religion is not influencing laws, it influences people who vote for people who make the laws. Science influences agencies (in the manner benefiting the agency) who influence legislators (that are duly elected) that may or may not make laws that affect people in a manner they didn't vote for. I felt sure that I wouldn't have to draw you a picture.
 
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Persian Vol said:
This (what only seems like an attempt to appear smart) point hardly contradicts the argument that there is minimal volume displacement for objects that float on water.
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What is your definition of "floats on water"? A boat can be said to float on water, but as I said, my boat displaces 10 tons. Water weighs 62.3 pounds per cubic foot. That means that my boat displaces 321 ft^3 of water. As an example, if my boat is floating in a foot ball field size pond (300 ft X 160 ft) it will raise the water level in that area by 0.08 in. Not much right, but 100 of those boats raise that level 8 inches. So the idea of the number of boats floating on the surface of the ocean is not so far fetched when you consider we are talking in millimeters of ocean level.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Oh that’s completely false. You can continue to believe this in your head, but to say that there are enough boats in this world to displace the entirety of the oceans sea level to a meaningful degree is absolutely untrue.
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Do the math hot shot. What is a meaningful degree? 1/2 inch, 1 inch? Define meaningful. The climatists are raising hell over millimeters.
 
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