Coach Banks.....😡

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WoodsmanVol said:
This is year two. I'd like him to remain here until he gets his guys, and has them in his system for about two years. There's no magic wane for getting a whole program that has been a sewer dweller for decades out of said sewer. It takes time and effort. Too many fans can't or won't understand that.
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Great coaches, coach great. It didn't take a magic wand or "his players" for Heupel to get the O going. In fact, talent went backwards and he still more than doubled points and made UT the nation's #1 offense.

Your argument is basically that talent isn't ideal so you cannot judge Banks based on reasonable expectations for the talent he has. I understand it just fine... and reject it. It isn't reasonable for UT's D to be on par with UGA. But Mizzou? Yes. Vandy? Yes. USCe? Yes. Maybe even UF? Probably. It isn't that he's taken mediocre talent with some holes and fielded a mediocre D. It is that he's taken mediocre talent and produced a REALLY bad D.
 
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sjt18 said:
Great coaches, coach great. It didn't take a magic wand or "his players" for Heupel to get the O going. In fact, talent went backwards and he still more than doubled points and made UT the nation's #1 offense.

Your argument is basically that talent isn't ideal so you cannot judge Banks based on reasonable expectations for the talent he has. I understand it just fine... and reject it. It isn't reasonable for UT's D to be on par with UGA. But Mizzou? Yes. Vandy? Yes. USCe? Yes. Maybe even UF? Probably. It isn't that he's taken mediocre talent with some holes and fielded a mediocre D. It is that he's taken mediocre talent and produced a REALLY bad D.
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I imagine you have a point there. I see it a bit different. But, all I can say is, sometimes, it's this way:
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We dont have the players or depth on the roster to be a top 20 DF, we got help on the way but right now we dont have elite D-LINEMEN, we got to get top DL from the portal or highschool rank to be a elite DF.
 
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sjt18 said:
Great coaches, coach great. It didn't take a magic wand or "his players" for Heupel to get the O going. In fact, talent went backwards and he still more than doubled points and made UT the nation's #1 offense.

Your argument is basically that talent isn't ideal so you cannot judge Banks based on reasonable expectations for the talent he has. I understand it just fine... and reject it. It isn't reasonable for UT's D to be on par with UGA. But Mizzou? Yes. Vandy? Yes. USCe? Yes. Maybe even UF? Probably. It isn't that he's taken mediocre talent with some holes and fielded a mediocre D. It is that he's taken mediocre talent and produced a REALLY bad D.
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Remember it takes at least 3 years in order for SC not to hang 63 on you.

You need time and WAY more talent on D to not allow Martin to gain 400 yards on Tennessee.

It takes years AND way more talent to see improvement!!
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
I imagine you have a point there. I see it a bit different. But, all I can say is, sometimes, it's this way:
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I believe UT has an open checkbook right now if they choose to bring in a top flight DC. This is a critical juncture though. Heupel has to make a decision and it needs to be the right one. He has more info. He knows whether Banks is aligned or not. I don't think money will hold him back.

PS- Banks seems to collapse in games. Purdue comes to mind as a game somewhat similar to USCe. He was just flat out coached in both games and beaten by inferior talent.
 
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FollowTheLeader said:
Why would I need to mention the any of the touchdowns.....I think we were all watching the same game. Right?

SC defense has been statistically worse than their offense if I'm not mistaken, so our offense was up against one of the worst defenses in college football (until our game) and we only managed to score 38 points. And yes, 38 points should be enough to win a game but on Saturday, it was NOT.

Football is a TEAM sport. We have the #1 offense in the COUNTRY, so why is there no expectation that for the game where we NEEDED them to score 60, that they, because of our terrible defense, step up and score over 60? We've done it already 3 times (almost 4). We almost did it against Alabama, a highly ranked team with a darn good defense.

So why isn't it the expectation of the OFFENSE to score more against a terrible defense like South carolina? Again, keeping in mind that we have the most explosive OFFENSE in all of college football.

Why isn't it the expectation that for the sake of the team and a WIN, on the night where the defense played like TRASH, the offense steps up and scores more points? We know we don't have a great defense, but why does ALL ownership rest on the defense for this loss? We are more than capable as an offense of scoring more than 63 on a terrible defense....imo.
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Shouldn’t ever need your team to score 60 to win. This isn’t womens basketball.
 
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sjt18 said:
I believe UT has an open checkbook right now if they choose to bring in a top flight DC. This is a critical juncture though. Heupel has to make a decision and it needs to be the right one. He has more info. He knows whether Banks is aligned or not. I don't think money will hold him back.
PS- Banks seems to collapse in games. Purdue comes to mind as a game somewhat similar to USCe. He was just flat out coached in both games and beaten by inferior talent.
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Well, if bickering on his defense squad as a factor, no matter how good you may be as a coach or anything else, humans gonna human.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Yup, average would have done it. 38 points on the road should be plenty enough
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They hadn’t scored more than 38 on any team not names Charlotte or SC State.

They averaged 20.7 vs SEC teams.

38 should have been more than enough.
 
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WesternNCVol said:
A valid point can be made in the first post about play makers.

How many of our guys could start at Bama or Georgia. We as a fan base often compare our team to those teams as a measuring stick.

So which of our guys start there?

How many start at another top 10 program?

We do lack elite talent on defense.

Half our offense could play anywhere in the country. But that defense…
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They don’t have to start at those schools, they simply have to hold the nations 85th ranked offense to less than say, 63. Something Georgia St, Charlotte, Mizzou, Vandy, SC State and everyone else on their schedule have been able to do. I wonder how GA St ever did it without kids who could start at Bama or UGA.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Well, if bickering on his defense squad as a factor, no matter how good you may be as a coach or anything else, humans gonna human.
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If it were the first time Banks looked lost then you'd have a point.

Also if the "players laid down" angle made any sense... it doesn't. Guys in foxholes forget about the bar fight they had the night before.... however the competence of their commander has a HUGE impact on their confidence and effort.
 
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sjt18 said:
If it were the first time Banks looked lost then you'd have a point.
Also if the "players laid down" angle made any sense... it doesn't. Guys in foxholes forget about the bar fight they had the night before.... however the competence of their commander has a HUGE impact on their confidence and effort.
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OK. Just the same, my mind is as made up as yours. Let's just see what happens hereafter.
 
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It amazes me that Heupel can take a below average offense with a new QB who was average and turn them into a top 15 (I think?) Offense last year and #1 this year.

Yet we have to make excuses for the DC who just produced another round of TRASH Saturday.

I'm willing to give him another year IF Martinez is fired immediately. But so far the only defensive coach who has done something with nothing is Gardner (no shock). The others are still producing TRASH on the field or at best, inconsistent as heck.
 
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FollowTheLeader said:
FIRST POST......and it's all about Coach Banks.

I know it's always fun to sit incognito on message boards and hurl vitriol all over the chosen target for the day, month, season or year.

Coach Banks has been CHOSEN. The coach that had the GUTS to step in and take over when others turned us down. Do you know why others turned us down? Because COACHES do not want to tarnish or ruin their reputation, nor do they want to deal with the public scrutiny and backlash of taking over and running an OFFENSE or DEFENSE that's BAD!! They don't want to deal with the RISK of being associated with a DUMPSTER FIRE! And on top of that, coaches know, even though fans don't, that being a DC of a team that runs an offense like the one Coach Heupel runs, can be coaching suicide. The offense puts a strain on the defense, so you need speed, depth and play-makers, NONE of which TENNESSEE had at the time Coach Heupel took over.

TENNESSEE was a DUMPSTER FIRE before Coach Heupel took the job......remember that? Other Head Coaches wanted no parts of this job, we kept getting turned down. These (HC) were ESTABLISHED Brands and they were not willing to risk ruining their reputation as a HC to take over a program that was in COMPLETE shambles!! NO ESTABLISHED HC wanted any parts of the SANCTIONS, TRANSFER PORTAL EXODUS or the TARNISHED name of UT football attached to them. Coach Heupel had the GUTS to accept the challenge head on!!

He had his OC, but offered the DC job to lots of "named" coaches.......coaches that everyone was excited about. What happened? They ALL used us to get raises, but NO ONE was willing to take the chance......NO GUTS!!

Coach Heupel "SETTLES" for Coach Tim Banks as DC.....a "NO NAMER" in the eyes of the fan base, but a well respected coach in the profession known for improving defenses, getting the most out of "no name players" and sending them to the NFL (as he did at CENTRAL MICHIGAN, CINCINNATI, ILLINOIS and PENN STATE), as well as finding a way to WIN when rosters don't have the caliber of kids that are play makers on game day.....all of which we NEEDED at TENNESSEE!!

When Coach Banks took over the DEFENSE, he and his staff had NO one to work with, which is why everyone believed we'd only win 3-4 games in year one. He played with walk-ons, he moved players to different positions, he tried different schemes. He basically found a way to get the most out of what we had left on the roster, and it wasn't always pretty, what happened? We won more games than expected! I don't care how you slice it, the defense helped to stop another team from scoring more than us on 7 occasions last year!!

Fast forward to this season. Who's our PLAY-MAKERS on DEFENSE? I'm talking legitimate PLAY-MAKERS that are difference makers......like we have on OFFENSE. If I asked that same question about the offense, we could all rattle off SEVERAL names and even a few 2 deep playmakers.

Coach Banks and the defensive staff have done a great job of FINDING a way to help WIN games, even though they have a limited roster......but because it DOESN'T LOOK right to the arm chair coaches, every WEEKEND, even when we WIN, we NEED to FIRE COACH Banks!! We need to find an experienced DC that's called plays before! We need to find a DC that can help us WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS!! We need to find a DC that can improve the PASS DEFENSE which sucks (even though there are 100s of statistical metrics that are more important)!!

We've won 9 games already this season and yes, I believe we should have wooped SC.....😡 That game still stings as much today as it did on Saturday. But the fact that we have SEVERAL THREADS about getting RID of Coach Banks at the end of the season makes my BLOOD BOIL!!

Are there better DC's than Coach Banks?......absolutely! But are they better for what we need right now? I don't know. But why in the WORLD would you get rid of a Coach when we are WAY ahead of schedule in our rebuild and HE is a part of the pieces of the puzzle that has made that happen. What sense does it make to GAMBLE on bringing in another DC in the middle of a REBUILD that's almost REBUILT??!!!

Coach Heupel is a smart guy. He didn't just SETTLE for BANKS or ANY other coach on this staff. He was strategic in his hires and it's the reason we are WAY AHEAD of schedule today!!

If you think we need to get RID of Coach Banks, you're entitled to your opinion. THIS is MY OPINION based on what I KNOW about Coach Banks body of work as a DC. He has won Conference Championships at 2 out of 3 places where he was the PLAY-CALLING DC and 1 where he was the Co-DC. He said when he came to TENNESSEE that he wanted to be a part of a team that WON the National Championship.......and because he had the GUTS to come here and had the confidence to BELIEVE that we could WIN a National Championship.........I'm TEAM Coach Banks.......I'm TEAM current coaching staff......all day!!

I will ride or die with this STAFF! While the SC game was awful to watch, I refuse to jump on the national bandwagon of spewing HATE towards our FOOTBALL PROGRAM or ANY person on this STAFF!! We want to be RESPECTED nationally, yet our own fan base has little RESPECT for what's really been accomplished in with our Football Program.

GBO!!!!

FACTS about Coach BANKS (which can all be found in his BIO) for all of those who said he NO experience calling plays before he came to TENNESSEE:
- PLAY-CALLER at Central Michigan for 3 seasons and 2 of those seasons, they were MAC CHAMPIONS. Defense dominated!
- PLAY-CALLER at University of Cincinnati for 2 years. One season they were ACC CHAMPIONS. Coach Banks for the first time, was NOMINATED for the BROYLES AWARD because he had one of the youngest, but most improved and dominant defenses in college football. Defense dominated!
-PLAY-CALLER at ILLINOIS for 4 seasons. The team struggled....didn't win much, but defense continued to improve and by Coach Banks last season, it was considered one of most STATISTICALLY improved defenses in college football.
-NOT the PLAY-CALLER, but Co-DC at Penn State for 5 seasons. TOP 35 recruiter there and instrumental in developing several "no name players" into draft picks and free agents that are still currently playing in the NFL. During his time there, Penn State had three 11 win seasons, Played in 4 NY6 bowls and was BIG TEN CHAMPIONS his first year (2016)
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That post is a mini novel.
 
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landscapingvol said:
That tends to happen when you play two hand touch on defense, even JG looked great in practice
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Definitely weren't putting enough pressure on him during the game. But even the few times they did chase him out of the pocket, Rattler was making some pinpoint throws even on the run.

Overall he's been a bust and undeserving of his #1 ranking coming out of high school, but has had his moments and at one point was even considered a pre-season Heisman favorite. He looked it last night and give credit where it's due. Even if he is an injury-faking D-Bag.
 
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