Coach Chavis hear this

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rockydoc

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You and the defense have done about everything possible to salvage this season. It looks like you may have to take a page from Buddy Ryan's playbook when he was the defense coordinator for the Oilers and when he took maters in his own hands, err rather fists, and went after Gilbride the Oiler's OC on the sideline on national TV!!!
 
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In all fairness, do you really think that Sanders lost this game for us? Last I checked, his "playcalling" had us inside the 10 yard line TWICE, which accounted for ZERO points, thanks to fumbles by our "star" tailback and fullback and penalties. As he said in the locker room on the PF show, the game went exactly as they had prepared for, and the gameplan apparently worked. We had our opportunities to score, despite bonehead plays on special teams (the status quo, now). The problem yesterday was with execution -- all 3 running backs fumbled, Inky made a couple of awful decisions, and we CONTINUE to kill ourselves with ridiculous penalties.

Not trying to come off as a "Sanders-Supporter," but frustration today seems more appropriately directed elsewhere, for a change.
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 23, 2005 6:54 PM
In all fairness, do you really think that Sanders lost this game for us?  Last I checked, his "playcalling" had us inside the 10 yard line TWICE, which accounted for ZERO points, thanks to fumbles by our "star" tailback and fullback and penalties.  As he said in the locker room on the PF show, the game went exactly as they had prepared for, and the gameplan apparently worked.  We had our opportunities to score, despite bonehead plays on special teams (the status quo, now).  The problem yesterday was with execution -- all 3 running backs fumbled, Inky made a couple of awful decisions, and we CONTINUE to kill ourselves with ridiculous penalties.

Not trying to come off as a "Sanders-Supporter," but frustration today seems more appropriately directed elsewhere, for a change.
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kiddiedoc, there are a lot of people in the Vol Nation (not speaking of just this website) who want to cut off their arms to cure a hangnail.
 
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actually a big reason we were down that close anyway was becuase of good defense and good returns
 
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Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 23, 2005 6:57 PM
kiddiedoc, there are a lot of people in the Vol Nation (not speaking of just this website) who want to cut off their arms to cure a hangnail.
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Nomination for "Post of the Week"
 
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Thanks for the nomination guys. But I think LIO's "MEN OF GENIOUS/MR. WAIT UNTIL THE GAME IS OVER TO TALK SMACK INTERNET POSTER" has already won.

 
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Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 23, 2005 7:12 PM
Thanks for the nomination guys.  But I think LIO's "MEN OF GENIOUS/MR. WAIT UNTIL THE GAME IS OVER TO TALK SMACK INTERNET POSTER" has already won.
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I'll go with a tie. A week like this could use two anyway.
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 23, 2005 7:14 PM
I'll go with a tie.  A week like this could use two anyway.
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Um...You gonna tell LIO this? :gone:
 
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Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 23, 2005 7:15 PM
Um...You gonna tell LIO this?  :gone:
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She won't care . . . . . as long as it comes from me! :shades:
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 23, 2005 5:54 PM
In all fairness, do you really think that Sanders lost this game for us?  Last I checked, his "playcalling" had us inside the 10 yard line TWICE, which accounted for ZERO points, thanks to fumbles by our "star" tailback and fullback and penalties.  As he said in the locker room on the PF show, the game went exactly as they had prepared for, and the gameplan apparently worked.  We had our opportunities to score, despite bonehead plays on special teams (the status quo, now).  The problem yesterday was with execution -- all 3 running backs fumbled, Inky made a couple of awful decisions, and we CONTINUE to kill ourselves with ridiculous penalties.

Not trying to come off as a "Sanders-Supporter," but frustration today seems more appropriately directed elsewhere, for a change.
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When a team has no vertical threat and when the opposition knows the plays in advance you are left with a grind it out run attack of 3-4 yards at a time. Against a hard tackling team like Bama there are more chances for fumbles. The net result is a situation where the other team hangs around and eventually makes a back breaking play. I think the biggest fault was having Clausen as co-number one QB at the start of fall practice. You never demote a proven starter because of injuries. I may be wrong but I think Ainge was freshman AA and had 17 TDs as a frosh. I blame RS and PF for destroying Ainges confidence. We will never know how the season would have turned out had Ainge not have been lifted after two sucessful series in the UAB game
















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Originally posted by rockydoc@Oct 23, 2005 8:11 PM
When a team has no vertical threat and when the opposition knows the plays in advance you are left with a grind it out run attack of 3-4 yards at a time. Against a hard tackling team like Bama  there are more chances for fumbles. The net result is a situation where the other team hangs around and eventually makes a back breaking play. I think the biggest fault was having Clausen as co-number one  QB at the start of fall practice. You never demote a proven starter because of injuries. I may be wrong but I think Ainge was freshman AA and had 17 TDs as a frosh. I blame  RS and PF for destroying Ainges confidence. We will never know how the season would have turned out had Ainge not have been lifted after two sucessful series in the UAB game
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I tend to agree with you about the QB situation, but blaming the fumbles on "playcalling" is silly. We were winning the running game, and it's "Tennessee Football" to wear the other team down on the ground. I actually think we were executing our game plan quite well. We had opportunities, far more than Bama, despite another AWFUL performance by the "Special" teams.

Blame the players, or the coaching for not emphasizing the importance of protecting the football, but not the OC for losing the ball.
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 23, 2005 7:54 PM
In all fairness, do you really think that Sanders lost this game for us?  Last I checked, his "playcalling" had us inside the 10 yard line TWICE, which accounted for ZERO points, thanks to fumbles by our "star" tailback and fullback and penalties.  As he said in the locker room on the PF show, the game went exactly as they had prepared for, and the gameplan apparently worked.  We had our opportunities to score, despite bonehead plays on special teams (the status quo, now).  The problem yesterday was with execution -- all 3 running backs fumbled, Inky made a couple of awful decisions, and we CONTINUE to kill ourselves with ridiculous penalties.

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Sanders game plan was to get in the Red Zone tiwce?

If his game plan was to score 14 points max each of the two times we got in the Red Zone, then Sanders, with our ecent history, is a fool. If he expected us to score 6 points and win, then he needs to lay at the feet of Chavis and worship.

We suck on offense. Our defense is superlative. If Sanders game plan was to go to Bama and score 14 to win, against a much superior offense than FLA...

Figger the rest out for yourselves.


 
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Yeah, we were really winning rushing. Look at the stats... 12 first downs in the entire game with 139 total yards rushing. These numbers will not win against a good team. I disagree with your diagnosis and request a second opinion. You realize our offense hasn't scored a meaniful TD(except that mopup against GA) in too games!!
 
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Originally posted by wilburnVol@Oct 23, 2005 11:40 PM
Sanders game plan was to get in the Red Zone tiwce?
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That's not what he said. He meant we fumbled inside the 10 twice. I agree with KD. We got pretty much what we wanted on offense, but the fumbles killed us.


 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 23, 2005 9:58 PM
That's not what he said.  He meant we fumbled inside the 10 twice.  I agree with KD.  We got pretty much what we wanted on offense, but the fumbles killed us.
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Deja Vu..... Johnny Majors... UT vs Bama 1990. Then it was 9-6 Bama. We're losing ground!! Bama will commission Daniel Moore to do another print..."Kick Two" I've had to look at Phillip Doyle's kick with Jermy Lincoln's desperation to block in my Bama fan's office for the last 15 years. Gad, you guys kill me!!
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 23, 2005 11:58 PM
That's not what he said.  He meant we fumbled inside the 10 twice.  I agree with KD.  We got pretty much what we wanted on offense, but the fumbles killed us.
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National Championship, Sec Championship teams get into the Read zone more than twice.

Ever pay any attention to USC, they only get 14 points of opportunities in a game inside the red zone?

And even if they did, our inability to score one one pass or one run strike only means that we have, in your opinion, to win if we score 14 from this offense.



 
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Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 23, 2005 6:57 PM
kiddiedoc, there are a lot of people in the Vol Nation (not speaking of just this website) who want to cut off their arms to cure a hangnail.
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Clever verbage, but if you consider the offensive problems to be a hangnail then I wonder about your diagnostic faculties. Half of the team, that is 50%, the 50% that RS is ULTIMATELY responsible for is performing like a highschool team.

That is much less like a hangnail, and more like losing the use of both legs, or both arms. Clever words, but really meaningless.
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 24, 2005 7:22 AM
Clever verbage, but if you consider the offensive problems to be a hangnail then I wonder about your diagnostic faculties.  Half of the team, that is 50%, the 50% that RS is ULTIMATELY responsible for is performing like a highschool team.

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Ever notice Phil has only a sparse comment here and there about the "D"? He's given that over to Chavis, thank God, and one of the reasons that JC stays around is that he has almost complete and autonomous control of the D. In fact, one could nearly say that we have co Head Coaches.

JC paces the sidelines and has rare contact with Phil, he has his own space. RS, OTOH, is stuck off Phil's hip.
 
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There is no way this loss can be put on Sanders. Alabama has a great defense, and we were in position to score twice on offense and turned the ball over. If you want to look for a coach to blame for this particular loss look at Fulmer. This team has zero discipline and that falls on the head coach. I would even put more blame on Trooper for this one than Sanders because his backs were not protecting the ball like they should. Nobody is claiming Sanders is a great OC but his gameplan put the team in a position to win a close game, and UT fumbled it away.
 
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Originally posted by holdemvol@Oct 24, 2005 9:32 AM
There is no way this loss can be put on Sanders.  Alabama has a great defense, and we were in position to score twice on offense and turned the ball over.  If you want to look for a coach to blame for this particular loss look at Fulmer.  This team has zero discipline and that falls on the head coach.  I would even put more blame on Trooper for this one than Sanders because his backs were not protecting the ball like they should.  Nobody is claiming Sanders is a great OC but his gameplan put the team in a position to win a close game, and UT fumbled it away.
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I cannot excuse Sanders for two simple facts:

1. At the four yard line, the offense should be able to line up without an audible and run the football into the endzone in four plays. No tricky snap counts, no outsmarting the opponent, just line up and run over them.

2. Offense has NO flow at all even when it is driving, and it has not in quite a while. On top of that, we are playing or 6th game of the season, and have to use two precious timeouts to avoid delay penalties.
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 24, 2005 9:49 AM
I cannot excuse Sanders for two simple facts:

1. At the four yard line, the offense should be able to line up without an audible and run the football into the endzone in four plays.  No tricky snap counts, no outsmarting the opponent, just line up and run over them.

2.  Offense has NO flow at all even when it is driving, and it has not in quite a while.  On top of that, we are playing or 6th game of the season, and have to use two precious timeouts to avoid delay penalties.
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1. Bottom line is, the play that was called got the ball inside the 5 and in position to at least get 3 points which would have probably been enough, but Anderson did not protect the ball and Bama gets it back.

2. I do agree the wasted time outs are ridiculous. The defense has to get a play in also and how many times do you see them calling time out because they did not get the play in?
 
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well we pretty much were winning the field position battle the whole game and had a pretty short field to cover and can't score any in the first half and only 3 in the second??? i agree the OC is not TOTALLY to blame but there is no excuse to have the kind of field position we had the majority of the game and only put up 3 points the entire freaking game. if you would have told me that our vols would have a .500 record after playing bama before the season started i would have laughed my butt off because of all the talent we have there really should be no way we should have 3 losses at this point. but now we have to forget about this one and move on to the next one and try to finish strong with a 8-3/7-4 record and wait for next year to make an SEC run.
GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 24, 2005 6:22 AM
Clever verbage, but if you consider the offensive problems to be a hangnail then I wonder about your diagnostic faculties.  Half of the team, that is 50%, the 50% that RS is ULTIMATELY responsible for is performing like a highschool team.

That is much less like a hangnail, and more like losing the use of both legs, or both arms. Clever words, but really meaningless.
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Well, I tend to look at it as a problem, much like a hangnail. Yes, its agrivating as heck. Yes it hurts. But in the midst of all your pain and suffering, some of you want to cut off your arms to make a small ache go away.

Take away the CPF staff and what happens? Do you actually think California, Texas and Florida 5 stars are just aching to come to UT? Do you really think it is their lifelong dream?

What is happening this year is a mere storm in the grand scheme of things. You want to jump ship, be my guest. But getting rid of CPF or either one of his coordinators is a grave mistake.

I would like to see JRS get the hell out of Knoxville. If we have a weakness on the staff, its him. He hasnt a clue about what it take to coach PHYSICAL offensive linemen.
 
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