Coach Chavis hear this

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#26
What is happening this year is a culmination of the seeds this coaching staff has sowed prior to this year.

This was to be the crescendo, the high point, the year the Vols are back in the national spotlight. The only problem is this: only half of the team is showing up. That is a problem. The only grave mistake is keeping RS.
 
#27
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 24, 2005 11:16 AM
  The only grave mistake is keeping RS.
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You know your right! How foolish of me. I guess there are several reason for us to want RS to get rid of. Just look at his play calls from the Bama game:

he called the "Fumble the ball as you fight for a first down" play;
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he called the "False start on first and goal" play;

he called the "Throw the ball after you get past the line of scrimmage" play;

he called that infamous "Fumble the ball out of the endzone on your way to a touchdown" play.

Your right. The above is proof positive we need to get rid of Sanders.

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

 
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#29
C'mon guys, this is Tennessee-Alabama.... anything can happen and if you only get into the orange-zone twice in the game AND actually score, the final score would be something like Tennessee winning 17-3 or at worst 9-6. I'll take that win to the bank over Alabama, over a top 5 team on the road anyday. Too bad the Vols did not pull it off.

Did you guys complain in 1998 after the Vols won over Florida 20-17 in overtime? Did you complain about winning a sloppy game over Florida State to win the national championship? Basically, if the Vols win, there are no complaints from me. However, they did lose, and I am frustrated by the players lack of focus on offense, special teams, AND defense. As well as the defense played, that 48-yard pass was a killer. Started of reminding me of past Tennessee-Alabama games when the Vols found ways of losing.... like Alabama driving the length of the field to tie the game in the final minutes of the 1993 game. The turnovers and penalties are wearing me thin too.

The gameplan..... run the ball... run clock.... keep the Vols defense off the field.... and score on a tired Tide defense in the 4th quarter. That was the gameplan that won a national title in 1998. The big difference is that the Vols don't have a go-to running back (where have you gone Gerald Riggs) and Clausen ain't no Tee Martin when it comes to getting it done in the 4th quarter. Martin may not have looked good for 3 quarters.... but with the game on the line he sure could move that ball in for a score. Anyways, the Vols sqaundered a scoring oppty in the first half.... but still got to the 2nd half tied 0-0.

The Vols first poss. of the 2nd half started at the UT 14. 10 plays later the Vols came up short (4th and 2) at the Bama 45. Meachem lost 2 yards on 2nd down and Riggs ran out of bounds 2 yards short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down. Foster ran 4 straight carries, had 2 first downs, and gained 16 yards during the drive.

The Vols 2nd poss. of the half started at the UT 35. 3-and-out after Jason Swain ran out-of-bounds 2 yards short of the 1st down marker.

What would have been UT's 3rd poss. was fumbled by Taylor at midfield.

The Vols actual 3rd poss. of the half ended in a field goal. UT started at the UT 46, Swain caught a 35 yard pass down to the Bama 19. Foster fumbled and the Vols lost 2 yards on the recovery. Gerald Riggs ran for 9 yards on 3rd down and came up 1-yard short of the first down. Vols kick field goal.

Next UT drive (and really their final one) started at the UT 47, and the Vols moved to the Bama 3 on mainly the running of Arian Foster and Gerald Riggs. A false start penalty and illegal pass penalty dropped the Vols back to the 15 yd line. A perfectly called screen pass to Cory Anderson looked like the Vols could have scored a touchdown, if not for Anderson fumbling the ball through the back of the endzone.

In the Vols first 5 second half poss. They gained 40 yards into Bama territory, had to punt... but won the field position. Then 3-and-out but moved ball to midfield to win field position battle again... then fumbles a punt at midfield and gives field position back to Bama. then a field goal to tie the game.... then a fumble into the endzone instead of scoring the go-ahead touchdown.

 
#30
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Originally posted by rockydoc@Oct 23, 2005 10:54 PM
Yeah, we were really winning rushing. Look at the stats... 12 first downs in the entire game with 139 total yards rushing. These numbers will not win against a good team. I disagree with your diagnosis and request a second opinion.
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How about understanding mine before you go shopping?

First: Net yards rushing: UT 109, UA 67. YPC: UT 3.1, UA 1.9. Yes, we were running the ball better than Bama.

Second, unless you do not consider Alabama a "good" team, those numbers WOULD have won against a "good" team were it not for the turnovers and mistakes.

It's Tennessee/Bama, what did you expect? I didn't hear anyone calling for a shootout. Look how many points Meyer's Revolutionary Army was able to muster against the Tide. Look how many chances Bama got inside our 10. It was a classic defensive struggle, and if we had a FG and a TD instead of 2 fumbles, it would have been 13-6 or 13-3.


NOW. . . .for those who want to place blame on the coaches, I've seen good arguments. Fault them for not preparing the players to make good decisions, fault the receivers' technique (or lack thereof), fault the QB development, fault them for discipline, fault the conditioning program. . . . but you can't pin this loss on playcalling, period.

What would people have said if we had abandoned the run and threw 3 INT's, resulting in a 24-3 rout? Bottom line is that we were in a position to win (more than once) and failed to capitalize.
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 24, 2005 12:15 PM
How about understanding mine before you go shopping? 

First:  Net yards rushing:  UT 109, UA 67.  YPC: UT 3.1, UA 1.9.  Yes, we were running the ball better than Bama.

Second, unless you do not consider Alabama a "good" team, those numbers WOULD have won against a "good" team were it not for the turnovers and mistakes.

It's Tennessee/Bama, what did you expect?  I didn't hear anyone calling for a shootout.  Look how many points Meyer's Revolutionary Army was able to muster against the Tide.  Look how many chances Bama got inside our 10.  It was a classic defensive struggle, and if we had a FG and a TD instead of 2 fumbles, it would have been 13-6 or 13-3.
NOW. . . .for those who want to place blame on the coaches, I've seen good arguments.  Fault them for not preparing the players to make good decisions, fault the receivers' technique (or lack thereof), fault the QB development, fault them for discipline, fault the conditioning program. . . . but you can't pin this loss on playcalling, period.

What would people have said if we had abandoned the run and threw 3 INT's, resulting in a 24-3 rout?  Bottom line is that we were in a position to win (more than once) and failed to capitalize.
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I do understand your point on playcalling, but there were a few that I just didn't understand, like the reverse for instance. It is also hard for me to separate the play calling from not getting the plays in on time.

To me this O has no rythym or flow, and that is partly due to play calling as well.
 
#32
#32
Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 24, 2005 12:15 PM
How about understanding mine before you go shopping? 

First:  Net yards rushing:  UT 109, UA 67.  YPC: UT 3.1, UA 1.9.  Yes, we were running the ball better than Bama.

Second, unless you do not consider Alabama a "good" team, those numbers WOULD have won against a "good" team were it not for the turnovers and mistakes.

It's Tennessee/Bama, what did you expect?  I didn't hear anyone calling for a shootout.  Look how many points Meyer's Revolutionary Army was able to muster against the Tide.  Look how many chances Bama got inside our 10.  It was a classic defensive struggle, and if we had a FG and a TD instead of 2 fumbles, it would have been 13-6 or 13-3.
NOW. . . .for those who want to place blame on the coaches, I've seen good arguments.  Fault them for not preparing the players to make good decisions, fault the receivers' technique (or lack thereof), fault the QB development, fault them for discipline, fault the conditioning program. . . . but you can't pin this loss on playcalling, period.

What would people have said if we had abandoned the run and threw 3 INT's, resulting in a 24-3 rout?  Bottom line is that we were in a position to win (more than once) and failed to capitalize.
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great post! :thumbsup:
 
#33
#33
Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 24, 2005 12:19 PM
I do understand your point on playcalling, but there were a few that I just didn't understand, like the reverse for instance.  It is also hard for me to separate the play calling from not getting the plays in on time.

To me this O has no rythym or flow, and that is partly due to play calling as well.
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Rythym or Flow I blame on the quarterback.

The biggest problem that Tennessee has is that they expect every quarterback to be like Peyton Manning. It will be hard to find a cerebral qb with talent like Manning though. Until they simplify the playbook where young talented quarterbacks can learn and actually get into a rythym or flow with that particular offense... I think the Vols will struggle.

I do agree, that the reverse was the most puzzling play call of the game for me. The Vols successfully running the ball down Bama's throat.... and then a huge loss on a 2nd down reverse puts the Vols in 3rd-and-16 mode. It was a huge drive killer that I DO blame on the coaching staff. I would have run Foster until Bama proved that they could stop him on that drive.
 
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Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 23, 2005 7:12 PM
Thanks for the nomination guys.  But I think LIO's "MEN OF GENIOUS/MR. WAIT UNTIL THE GAME IS OVER TO TALK SMACK INTERNET POSTER" has already won.
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While I try to be humble most of the time :ninja: I have to point out that the post referred to above was mine :angel:

It took me over 1200 posts to finally get a good one - I have to claim credit where I can :p
 
#35
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 24, 2005 11:15 AM
How about understanding mine before you go shopping? 

First:  Net yards rushing:  UT 109, UA 67.  YPC: UT 3.1, UA 1.9.  Yes, we were running the ball better than Bama.

Second, unless you do not consider Alabama a "good" team, those numbers WOULD have won against a "good" team were it not for the turnovers and mistakes.

It's Tennessee/Bama, what did you expect?  I didn't hear anyone calling for a shootout.  Look how many points Meyer's Revolutionary Army was able to muster against the Tide.  Look how many chances Bama got inside our 10.  It was a classic defensive struggle, and if we had a FG and a TD instead of 2 fumbles, it would have been 13-6 or 13-3.
NOW. . . .for those who want to place blame on the coaches, I've seen good arguments.  Fault them for not preparing the players to make good decisions, fault the receivers' technique (or lack thereof), fault the QB development, fault them for discipline, fault the conditioning program. . . . but you can't pin this loss on playcalling, period.

What would people have said if we had abandoned the run and threw 3 INT's, resulting in a 24-3 rout?  Bottom line is that we were in a position to win (more than once) and failed to capitalize.
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I agree that for this particular game, with Clausen at QB and a demoralized Ainge on the bench, our best chance was to pound the rock and hope and pray that no one fumbled and that Croyle did not hit any long passes (He hit one and missed two receivers that had broken free). Of course this puts a tremendous amt. of pressure on the D. My fault with the offensive coaches is illustrated by the stats of the previous Bama opponents.....Total Yards(pass & rush) MTSU 157;So.Miss 199; So Carolina 244; Ark 318; Fla. 326; OleMiss 279 UT 253; and these stats are skewed because our D was stopping them rather quickly and turning the ball back to the offense.
Do you not think we have better athletes on our offense than SC, Ark, and OleMiss?? The fault dear sir lies with the offensive coaches. They are an pathetic and you must know it.
 
#36
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Originally posted by rockydoc@Oct 23, 2005 8:11 PM
When a team has no vertical threat and when the opposition knows the plays in advance you are left with a grind it out run attack of 3-4 yards at a time. Against a hard tackling team like Bama  there are more chances for fumbles. The net result is a situation where the other team hangs around and eventually makes a back breaking play. I think the biggest fault was having Clausen as co-number one  QB at the start of fall practice. You never demote a proven starter because of injuries. I may be wrong but I think Ainge was freshman AA and had 17 TDs as a frosh. I blame  RS and PF for destroying Ainges confidence. We will never know how the season would have turned out had Ainge not have been lifted after two sucessful series in the UAB game
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You are exactly right.
 
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Originally posted by volinbham@Oct 24, 2005 12:28 PM
While I try to be humble most of the time  :ninja:  I have to point out that the post referred to above was mine  :angel:

It took me over 1200 posts to finally get a good one - I have to claim credit where I can  :p
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Im sorry volinbham. I didnt know who made the post, I just seen LIO making a special post for it.

Shes the one causing trouble :devilsmoke:
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 24, 2005 11:24 AM
Rythym or Flow I blame on the quarterback.

The biggest problem that Tennessee has is that they expect every quarterback to be like Peyton Manning.  It will be hard to find a cerebral qb with talent like Manning though.  Until they simplify the playbook where young talented quarterbacks can learn and actually get into a rythym or flow with that particular offense... I think the Vols will struggle.

I do agree, that the reverse was the most puzzling play call of the game for me.  The Vols successfully running the ball down Bama's throat.... and then a huge loss on a 2nd down reverse puts the Vols in 3rd-and-16 mode.  It was a huge drive killer that I DO blame on the coaching staff.  I would have run Foster until Bama proved that they could stop him on that drive.
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I would love to see us come out of the huddle snap the friggin ball and run the frigging play , I think that half the penalties and have of the blown routes and assignments are because half of the guys out there are confused about which play we're running... how about this no huddle go inot the game with 10 plays that we are really good at and run the damn things in order, see what worked and run those plays again if that fails then go to the audible.
 
#39
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It's probably already been beat to death but what was RC thinking on the "over the line of scrimmage" pass? He just threw it away - why not run a few yards and go OB since he'd given up on making the pass?
 
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Originally posted by volmanjr@Oct 24, 2005 10:31 PM
I would love to see us come out of the huddle snap the friggin ball and run the frigging play , I think that half the penalties and have of the blown routes and assignments are because half of the guys out there are confused about which play we're running... how about this no huddle go inot the game with 10 plays that we are really good at and run the damn things in order, see what worked and run those plays again if that fails then go to the audible.
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That would be too simple.
 
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And Brody Croyle missed to wide open receivers which would have been touch downs.

Please do not give me this bs about how Tennessee could have won the game if........... Tennessee lost and thats that............

I do not think that 108 yards net rushing is executing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 
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I hope Saturday against SC Chavis starts the game by punching Sanders and they must carry RS away. This will guarentee victory. And to the posters above, the failure of offensive execution against 'Bama IS most definately on RS. He is the one who coaches them and must be responsible for their results! Offense stinks, RS stinks!
 
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Originally posted by patrick@Oct 25, 2005 7:15 AM
And Brody Croyle missed to wide open receivers which would have been touch downs.

Please do not give me this bs about how Tennessee could have won the game if...........  Tennessee lost and thats that............

I do not think that 108 yards net rushing is executing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Exactly!!! And how in the hell can some our above friends defend RS and that bunch of clowns on the offensive staff!! By the way, I didn't see any NFL All Pro's on the Bama D. Just a well-coached group.
 
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"Group" is the operative word there. Our D is a "group". I have no idea what our O is. A gaggle maybe?
 

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