Coach Jake Stirring the Pot

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PrattvilleVol said:
The biggest problem we have with running the read option now is we don't have a QB running threat. You have to have a QB that can run to optimize a read option offense.
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Out of the 3/4 Qb's we have, one of them will be a run threat. Although it's not Worley, It is cool to see the Coaches get the rest of or offensive ready for it.
 
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The fact that Worley almost never runs the ball remains a problem. Pig Howard's return has helped the offense quite a bit, and we made at least three first downs on 4th downs that helped us against jawja. We were also desperate. The offense was improved but we still need the QB to run more, need to throw more to slot and TE.
 
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SouthFlorida_Vol said:
Not jumping the gun, but this is a tease of what I envisioned of the offense...when muscle memory develops and kicks in, our Vols will become the aggressor and dictate the pace of games=WINS Everyone divide into your groups and form your synopsis of my insane optimism...BE CREATIVE :)
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I totally understand the point being made and agree but muscles don't have memory. If muscles had memory then people who are brain dead could move.[/QUOTE]

It's a trade term...don't let it drag you down too much :biggrin:
 
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armchair said:
The fact that Worley almost never runs the ball remains a problem. Pig Howard's return has helped the offense quite a bit, and we made at least three first downs on 4th downs that helped us against jawja. We were also desperate. The offense was improved but we still need the QB to run more, need to throw more to slot and TE.
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It's all a process...we'll be fine...eventually.
 
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Every offensive play ever designed will result in a score if perfectly executed. The exact same play can and often will result in disaster when poorly executed. It isn't a difficult concept. Some fans are just very slow to grasp it.
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that is 100% false, especially since they don't have to spy the qb. in theory, you will have a 1 on 1 matchup every play with the ball carrier and a defender, but it most cases a 2 on 1.

lets think about it. there are 11 people on offense, and 11 on defense. that leaves 1 person on everyone. and in this case 2 people techincally "free" in the defense. why? because 1 person is free because they are "on" the ball carrier. the other free because they don't have to focus on a qb. this person is often called a rover.

point being, there are more people on defense than offense since the qb especially our qb isnt a threat to run.
 
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Monkey Wrench said:
that is 100% false, especially since they don't have to spy the qb. in theory, you will have a 1 on 1 matchup every play with the ball carrier and a defender, but it most cases a 2 on 1.

lets think about it. there are 11 people on offense, and 11 on defense. that leaves 1 person on everyone. and in this case 2 people techincally "free" in the defense. why? because 1 person is free because they are "on" the ball carrier. the other free because they don't have to focus on a qb. this person is often called a rover.

point being, there are more people on defense than offense since the qb especially our qb isnt a threat to run.
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I may be thinking about this wrong but I believe, on the zone read, the backside end goes unblocked and, as long as the tailback can outrun him, there would only be one person "free" in your scenario.
 
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Every offensive play ever designed will result in a score if perfectly executed. The exact same play can and often will result in disaster when poorly executed. It isn't a difficult concept. Some fans are just very slow to grasp it.
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With all due respect, I do not believe. For a variety of reasons.

#1 Pass play where QB chooses post pattern. Perfect choice and throw by QB, OL, RB, & TE block perfectly. Perfect post route and catch by WR 30 yards downfield. CB playing man coverage on play has WR in front of him and makes tackle immediately after catch. A big 33yd gain, but no TD. All O players executed perfectly as play designed and did not get a TD.

#2 Run play between tackles, where every WR, OL, TE, and HB or FB all block the defender exactly as designed. Defense just happens to be bringing a safety blitz on the play and the O blockers are outnumbered by at least 1 defender. The RB has a tiny gap to run to daylight in that is plugged by blitzer. Safety makes a perfect tackle on RB and blows up perfectly executed play for a 1yd gain. Unless RB can unrealistically jump over multiple defenders then no TD results.

Your point about execution is well received, but the idea of a TD on every perfectly executed play is unreasonable with similar talent on the field being disciplined to run the play as designed.
 
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I think the offense just executed better . If a QB and receivers cannot execute basic , core plays ...you cant open the playbook up ...they wont be able to execute the more complex things.

Up until this point , our offense has been vanilla for the above reason .

I hope that Worley can continue to execute at the level he did against GA and continue to build on it . The offense will improve , running game will open up , we will put points on the board and by default will put more pressure on the opposing offense . Our depth challenged D will look better by not enduring so many reps .

Fingers are crossed based on what we say against the dogs.
 
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No real point to this other than those talking about execution might find this interesting. I love watching great coaches breaking down plays.

(The explanation starts at about 1:00 in)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmtVeqMt6dc[/youtube]
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
The biggest problem we have with running the read option now is we don't have a QB running threat. You have to have a QB that can run to optimize a read option offense.
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The read is there, Worley just wont take it.
Hes not a burner but has good enough wheels.
 
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armchair said:
The fact that Worley almost never runs the ball remains a problem. Pig Howard's return has helped the offense quite a bit, and we made at least three first downs on 4th downs that helped us against jawja. We were also desperate. The offense was improved but we still need the QB to run more, need to throw more to slot and TE.
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At this point in the O development I have to disagree with the QB running thing. As bad as Worley has played at times ..the kids behind him are not at his level. He showed some real progress in the GA game. He get knocked out trying to run the ball ...our bowl homed are dashed . We could lose the rest of our games with the exception of UK with no Worley .

Agree on the slot and TE passing. I notice that they have him doing a bunch one or double reads and then going hot route . He has to be able to do that consistently before he gets multiple read plays. All is very vanilla now . Maybe that changes in the home run stretch as he and receivers develop.
 
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Man it sure is going to be sweet when UT has the players to run and execute this offense like a well oiled machine.

"Come writers and critics who prophesize with your pen, and keep your eyes wide..the chance wont come again. And don't speak too soon, for the wheels still in spin, and theres no tellin who that its naming..for the loser now, will be later to win...FOR THE TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN!"
 
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butchna said:
I totally understand the point being made and agree but muscles don't have memory. If muscles had memory then people who are brain dead could move.
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It's a trade term...don't let it drag you down too much :biggrin:[/QUOTE]

Muscles do have memory when activated. Electrically stimulating a recently body proves that. We're no different than frogs in that aspect, you see. :hi:
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
It's a trade term...don't let it drag you down too much :biggrin:
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Muscles do have memory when activated. Electrically stimulating a recently body proves that. We're no different than frogs in that aspect, you see. :hi:[/QUOTE]

Frog science!....Yeah!.....Woodsman bringin da knowledge! :pilot::matrix:
 
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SouthFlorida_Vol said:
Not jumping the gun, but this is a tease of what I envisioned of the offense...when muscle memory develops and kicks in, our Vols will become the aggressor and dictate the pace of games=WINS Everyone divide into your groups and form your synopsis of my insane optimism...BE CREATIVE :)
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I totally understand the point being made and agree but muscles don't have memory. If muscles had memory then people who are brain dead could move.
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True, the memory portion is mostly in the brain (some in the spinal chord, kind of). Look up procedural memory. I think that's what he means by muscle memory.
 
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Not even sure I like the cliche... but "brick by brick". The team has mastered or is close to mastering the base offense. Now they are beginning to build variations off of the base.

Years ago in HS we ran the veer option and pro I. Everything else we did was some variant off of that base. Jones does the same. He has a base set of plays and formations then everything else is built on that.

I didn't "get it" though Jones pretty much said it numerous times over the course of the season. Worley tipped it off a couple of weeks ago when asked if they were still installing the O. He said "every week".

I will be very surprised and fairly disappointed if USCe doesn't see some things that UT has not shown previously just like UGA did. However I don't think they will wait until halftime to turn the O on any more. The confidence all the way around should be high enough that they do not play to get to the 2nd half.
 
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