Coach K and the Nets

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kidbourbon said:
Argue away that my definition of mediocrity is overinclusive. But know that applying the 'top 2-3 program' label to the present tense of Duke basketball wins the gold medal in the category of asinine statements. Wins it going away.

And, no, I don't hate Duke. I have several friends who are Duke grads and hard-core fans. My best friend falls into this group. I talk hoops with him on a nearly daily basis, and he actually has a much more realistic perspective on the current state of Duke basketball than you do. And even if I just made all of that up (I didn't), I would still find it difficult to muster up those kind of emotions for a team whose best case scenario is losing in the third round of the tournament....again.
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I'll be the first to admit that Duke has fallen off the last few years. But, between 1997-2006, Duke was the premier program in the country. So, I've dropped them from that spot. If they have a few more years like the previous two or three, I think they'll drop even more. I'm just saying that you can't name a program that, on the whole, has been more consistent over the last decade or so than Duke besides maybe UNC or Kansas. Even if you throw UConn and MSU or some other team in there, then they're still top 5. That's simply NOT mediocre which was my original point.
 
#29
#29
No not the end of the thread just yet. Go to ESPN and see who the team of the decade is and you will find the name UNC. North Carolina has owned Duke since Roy Williams has got there and got his own recruiting class in. 7 of the last 10 games to be exact have been UNC wins.

The only reason Duke won the ACC tournament last year is because Ty Lawson didnt play. North Carolina was playing for bigger things then just the ACC. Ty never lost to Duke when he played so he wasnt going to lose then. People remember National Championships and UNC has 2 and has been to 3 final fours in 5 years.

Duke has made it past the sweet 16 twice this decade but they are always in the top 10. You know what that means? Overrated. In 2006-2007 they lost in the first round to VCU. The next year they beat BELMONT by one point and then lost in the 2nd round. Finally last year they made it to the Sweet 16. U know what happened? They got beat by 23 by Villanova then UNC beat Villanova by 14 points.

Even Jay Bilas a former Dukie said UNC has dominated the last 5 years and so this year is the first year UNC hasnt been on top but dont worry they will be back next year.

North Carolina itnt the only one in front of them this decade. If you want to go by season winning percentage then sure put them number 1. Good job Dukies BUT we dont so Kansas has 3 final fours 1 NC, MSU has 4 final fours 1 NC, Florida has 3 finals fours 2 N, and UNC has 4 final fours 2 NC. Duke's 2 final fours and NC was at the first of the decade also. For about 5 years they have not been a top 10 team in the postseason but have been in the season. We will change that word mediocrity to OVERRATED. FACT!
 
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#31
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milohimself said:
Yeah, Duke is "great" in that they are better than most of the other 300+ schools playing Division I basketball.

Coach K has had less success than others at the D-I level in consistently pushing his teams to the next level in competing for Final Fours and national titles. Coaching the NBA is a different ballpark, who knows. Maybe he's good enough to handle it. His work with Team USA is a good sign.

If the Nets bring on Coach K and spend the next year wheeling and dealing, putting a good team together, that should be enough to at least get the Nets in the playoffs in 2011 (let's face it, that's not exactly a difficult task in the Eastern Conference) and contending the year after that.
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I don't know, man. 10 Final Fours is better than any active coach. But I agree they have dropped from just complete dominance in the last 6-8 years.
 
#36
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kidbourbon said:
This is the equivalent of saying "guys only stopped hitting on her because she got really fat".
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Actually, it's "guys only stopped hitting on her because she never left her house." You are honestly delusional if you think kids don't see Duke as an attractive destination.
 
#37
#37
milohimself said:
Yeah, Duke is "great" in that they are better than most of the other 300+ schools playing Division I basketball.

Coach K has had less success than others at the D-I level in consistently pushing his teams to the next level in competing for Final Fours and national titles. Coaching the NBA is a different ballpark, who knows. Maybe he's good enough to handle it. His work with Team USA is a good sign.

If the Nets bring on Coach K and spend the next year wheeling and dealing, putting a good team together, that should be enough to at least get the Nets in the playoffs in 2011 (let's face it, that's not exactly a difficult task in the Eastern Conference) and contending the year after that.
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This is an absolute joke. 10 Final Fours? Really? He's had less success in getting teams to the Final Four than exactly zero active coaches in the college basketball nation.

Coach K has had less success recently because he got lazy on the recruiting trail. Until this year. It's funny that so many of you think Duke is just going to keep getting worse or that Coach K forgot how to make a Final Four. Just wait a few years...
 
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#39
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VKAman said:
This is an absolute joke. 10 Final Fours? Really? He's had less success in getting teams to the Final Four than exactly zero active coaches in the college basketball nation.

Coach K has had less success recently because he got lazy on the recruiting trail. Until this year. It's funny that so many of you think Duke is just going to keep getting worse or that Coach K forgot how to make a Final Four. Just wait a few years...
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Yeah he just all of the sudden got lazy. Give me a break. A coach down the road named Roy Williams has took the recruiting game over. Coach K only recruits kids that are going to stay 4 years in college or at least 3.

Even in the rebuilding stage UNC is going through this year when they played you could tell they were still more athletic, and thats why when they get in the tournament they get put out quickly. They rely on shooting and when they face a more athletic team which is usually before or at the sweet 16. Its over.

Coach K is a great coach, but he ended up with a losing record against Dean Smith and he will end up with one against Roy Williams. They will have winning seasons and be in the top 10 in the rankings. At least thats something for the Duke fans to remember. :birgits_giggle:
 
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UtPimpin08 said:
Yeah he just all of the sudden got lazy. Give me a break. A coach down the road named Roy Williams has took the recruiting game over. Coach K only recruits kids that are going to stay 4 years in college or at least 3.

Even in the rebuilding stage UNC is going through this year when they played you could tell they were still more athletic, and thats why when they get in the tournament they get put out quickly. They rely on shooting and when they face a more athletic team which is usually before or at the sweet 16. Its over.

Coach K is a great coach, but he ended up with a losing record against Dean Smith and he will end up with one against Roy Williams. They will have winning seasons and be in the top 10 in the rankings. At least thats something for the Duke fans to remember. :birgits_giggle:
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He didn't really have to recruit that hard before. Kids just wanted to go to Duke in the 90s. When other programs started building themselves back up again, K was used to kids beating down his door to go there. He's finally realized that they're not, and Duke is getting athletes (Exhibit A: Kyrie Irving) again. As Scheyer is replaced by Irving/Curry, and Zoubek is replaced by kids like Mason Plumlee, you'll see that Duke is going to be just fine.
 
#41
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VKAman said:
He didn't really have to recruit that hard before. Kids just wanted to go to Duke in the 90s. When other programs started building themselves back up again, K was used to kids beating down his door to go there. He's finally realized that they're not, and Duke is getting athletes (Exhibit A: Kyrie Irving) again. As Scheyer is replaced by Irving/Curry, and Zoubek is replaced by kids like Mason Plumlee, you'll see that Duke is going to be just fine.
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You sound like a Dukie. I guess seeing as your location is in Durham then you probably are, but u like UT football? If so then your ok in my book. Im a UNC bball fan but I live here in TN so I love TN football. To your post I agree with you mostly. I think that Scheyer and Curry might be about the same. Mason Plumlee will be one of the best players Duke has had since JJ. He might actually end up leaving early.
 
#42
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UtPimpin08 said:
You sound like a Dukie. I guess seeing as your location is in Durham then you probably are, but u like UT football? If so then your ok in my book. Im a UNC bball fan but I live here in TN so I love TN football. To your post I agree with you mostly. I think that Scheyer and Curry might be about the same. Mason Plumlee will be one of the best players Duke has had since JJ. He might actually end up leaving early.
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Lived in Tennessee all my life until this year, haha. I think (hope) Irving will be much better/more athletic than Scheyer or Curry. I think he could be the difference maker, and Andre Dawkins will start to get better as well. I agree with you on Mason though.
 
#43
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kidbourbon said:
They want him. Duke isn't winning it all any time soon. So why not make the leap?
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If he were going to do it, he would have done it long ago. He's had chances to coach the Celtics, the Lakers with Kobe Bryant, the Knicks before Isiah ruined them, and God knows who else. And after turning all of that down, at the age of 63, he's going to take over a team that might not win 10 games all year? I don't think so...

What he's going to do is stay at Duke, and coach a few more seasons, and retire as the all-time winningest coach in the history of college basketball, the same way that Deano and Bobby Knight did. He's less than 50 wins away.
 
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#44
#44
VKAman said:
Actually, it's "guys only stopped hitting on her because she never left her house." You are honestly delusional if you think kids don't see Duke as an attractive destination.
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I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to mean.
 
#45
#45
kidbourbon said:
They want him. Duke isn't winning it all any time soon. So why not make the leap?

Duke's regression to mediocrity has made them difficult for me to hate, so I don't really care whether he stays or goes. It would be funny, though, to see the reaction of Duke fans.
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Bump for irony :p
 
#46
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I'm hoping he turns it down and Calipari accepts. It would be an amzing day to see UK left with 4 players and Calipari gone. How are they going to survive that? They'd be in worse position than Indiana was in when Sampson was fired.
 
#47
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K's already said in no uncertain terms that he's not leaving. That ship sailed a long time ago. He's got nothing to prove. He's already proven he can coach and win with NBA players, at the Olympics.

Calipari's sole strength as a coach is the ability to convince (buy) great high school players to come play for whatever college has sold its soul to the devil. If he goes back to the NBA, he will just fall flat on his face. Again. And seriously, why would the Nets bring him back? He already flopped there once!
 
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