Coach Martin 4 games IN

#27
#27
willieboy said:
Yes if we had scored more points that Memphis we would have won. And that would have been a really big accomplishment for Martin. But they didn't win, they lost. If they had won, my respect for Martin would have gone up a notch, but I still would not have decided on the basis of one excellent win that Martin is going to be an excellent coach. In the two games we lost Tn played very erratic. The highlight for me was the comeback to take the game to overtime. We had ample opportunity to win the game especially when we got up by 4 or 5 points in the first overtime. Then TN really started playing wild throwing up really bad shots and let Memphis back in the game. Too me that reflects very poorly on the coaching staff.
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You stated that when Martin starts winning these games you will know he is the real deal. Those were your words not mine. That's a pretty fickle opinion to say one point is the difference in making up your opinion. Maybe just maybe your opinion isn't based on any knowledge or intelligence since your having such a hard time explaining it.
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#28
#28
willieboy said:
I would say so far that he has been exactly what I expected. He beats the cupcakes and loses to the top competition. Thats what has happened so far.
Top coaches get calls because they let the officials know that they expect them to be competent and fair. You won't find coach K taking anything from the officials.
Most of the time if a guy can really coach it will show up in immediate improvement. So far CM has not shown me he is top flight coach. I don't want a "good" coach, I want an excellent coach. A coach that can match up with the Caliparis and Krzyzewskis. Does anyone else feel that way on this board. I hope Martin is the guy, but so far he has not shown it. A lot of people on here will take issue with Calipari being a top flight coach. Well coaching is also a matter of recruiting as well as coaching. Calipari has shown he is second to none in recruiting.
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If you aren't impressed with Martin's coaching with four new starters who basically never played, I'm not sure there is a coach anywhere that would impress you.
 
#29
#29
AlaskaVol said:
I am very happy with Cuonzo so far as a coach. I think his courtside manner will pay dividends as the SEC season progresses unlike past years. But Bruce did not leave the cupboard bare. There is a lot of raw talent on this team and quite a few 4 star players. So I am not that surprised so far and I expect one win over Kentucky, 1 over bama, 2 over Vandy and none over gators. I expect a trip to the NCAA.

Trae has to make better decisions in big games by having more confidence in his teammates. Pistol Mcbee has to get more shots by working hard all the time. The other heavyweights have to follow Maymon's lead. The more confidence they get the better they will get.

The coolest thing so far is their never give up attitude and that they can work harder as the game goes on. Coach is not as offensively conservative as I thought he might.

I think it looks like a good year. The question is can Cuonzo reload the talent as time goes on?
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The players he has already brought in with little time to recruit have been solid contributors. I think he has already proven that he can recruit kids to his system who can be successful.
 
#30
#30
New Coaches, new team, new system, this team will win alot this year. They are tougher than most other teams. We will continue to improve and make the show in March....
THAT IS ALL!!!:clapping:
 
#31
#31
willieboy said:
Yes Maymon stepped up and played big he has really improved from last year. The announcers discussed how he really got himself in shape, lost weight, improved his strength etc. Martin deserves some credit if he motivated him to do what he did. This team has some talent. They have a lot of potential. And they took Memphis to two overtimes, but they fell apart in the last overtime and lost the game. But the bottom line is still that they lost the only two games they have played against quality opponents.
When they start winning against top opponents then we will know that Martin is the real deal. Til then the jury is out. Even though some on here have declared him to be the second coming.
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You seem to forget that Pearl lost two games in an early season tournament and was blown out in both games. Yet, most think he is the greatest coach to ever walk the floor at UT. Give Martin credit for a good job so far. The remainder of the season will speak for itself.
 
#32
#32
Martin has captured the one thing Pearl brought to our basketball program. Energy. Not by the pace he plays, but by intensity.

I hope this can be sustained. Keep it up team. Play hard. That's all we've ever asked. In basketball, playing hard typically equates into wins.
 
#33
#33
UneducatedGuess said:
Martin has captured the one thing Pearl brought to our basketball program. Energy. Not by the pace he plays, but by intensity.

I hope this can be sustained. Keep it up team. Play hard. That's all we've ever asked. In basketball, playing hard typically equates into wins.
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Pearls teams played with a lot of intensity, excluding last year of course.
 
#35
#35
The motion offense allows for much more freedom for the players. The half court offense is much better than the crap we saw last year.
 
#36
#36
You can still thank Bruce, because this is HIS schedule and his starting line up. Does it change a players approach knowing you are going to be facing Duke and other top 25 competition regularly? You bet. Does it force players to gro, when they play a real schedule versus whipping the UNC Greensboros of the world? You bet.
My question is will Cuonzo continue what has made UT bball great? A tought schedule.
There is no question that these players now KNOW where they are. Maymon has a double double in every game. The kid can play and produce against the best. Other than he and Golden, you have a bunch of pieces, and Cuonzo is going to have to figure out where to put those pieces to get some upset wins. I remember Buzz came oh so close, so many times. He played some good teams super close, but ultimately he did not get the results. I don't think Cuonzo is like buzz. But he was left with a lot better talent than some were making it out. Maymon, Hall, Woolridge, McCrae, Golden were all top 60 talent. Much higher than any of the others Cuonzo brought in. Granted he had a tough situation with NCAA stuff looming. So, I give him a pass on that class. So far I like the guy.
 
#37
#37
BasketvolsFan said:
The motion offense allows for much more freedom for the players. The half court offense is much better than the crap we saw last year.
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Yes, but I'm still seeing a lot of the silly (outside) shot selection that irritated me last year. Isn't that part of discipline?
 
#38
#38
Velo Vol said:
Is that another way of saying that the players are less disciplined than you expected?
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No I don't see it that way. Freedom means to me that the kids are playing without fear. There have been some quick shots due to that but you have to take the good with the bad. I was expecting to see the shot clock in single digits on every possession.
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#39
#39
Velo Vol said:
Yes, but I'm still seeing a lot of the silly (outside) shot selection that irritated me last year. Isn't that part of discipline?
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No question that you are correct. That's one of the reasons you see McRae sitting on the bench for long periods of time. We still have players who are not making good decisions and playing within the system. The good thing is they usually find the bench, if there is an option with another player. That, my friend, is the discipline.
 
#40
#40
BasketvolsFan said:
You seem to forget that Pearl lost two games in an early season tournament and was blown out in both games. Yet, most think he is the greatest coach to ever walk the floor at UT. Give Martin credit for a good job so far. The remainder of the season will speak for itself.
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Bvols,
Maybe you should go back and look at Pearl's body of work at UT, then re-state your opinion of where he ranks amongst all UT bball coaches. To say that he wasn't a very good coach is dishonest at best. I'll give Martin his due if he turns in a better season than has been predicted. If he makes the tourney, then I will be very happy with his coaching
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#41
#41
Weren't the same "hey, we are competing with, though not beating, good teams" comments made about Buzz Peterson during his first year with the Vols?

Four games in and Martin has not demonstrated that we can beat good teams; to demonstrate that, he will have to actually beat good teams.
 
#42
#42
I believe you could compare this year's team to Pearl's first(picked 5th in the East), Buzz's last team went 14-17. The 05-06 team earned a 2 seed, not bad.
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#43
#43
Larkin said:
I believe you could compare this year's team to Pearl's first(picked 5th in the East), Buzz's last team went 14-17. The 05-06 team earned a 2 seed, not bad.
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I am not ready to equate a 2-2 team to a team that went 21-7.
 
#45
#45
GahLee said:
My only question of Martin is his recruiting.
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Agreed. Early impression is that he is going to lean toward athleticism first when evaluating talent as opposed to pure basketball skill . That may not be fair to judge with the guys he brought in so late but that's what I get from that group.
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#47
#47
willieboy said:
I'm sorry I just don't get it, this TN team has faced two quality opponents and lost to both. How in the world does that make him awesome? Is your goal to just be in the game and not get blown out by 40 points or something.
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Is your goal to be smug and bring nothing but doucheness to the board? No one here cares about Pearl anymore. Do us all a favor and go tell HIM how you feel by calling his stupid radio show. He's not the coach anymore, and we should all be thankful that we got out of it unscathed.
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#48
#48
BasketvolsFan said:
No question that you are correct. That's one of the reasons you see McRae sitting on the bench for long periods of time. We still have players who are not making good decisions and playing within the system. The good thing is they usually find the bench, if there is an option with another player. That, my friend, is the discipline.
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You can't expect to change everything overnight, but I would like to see Tatum make a quick trip to the bench when he fires up contested three pointers early in the shot clock.
 
#50
#50
BruinVol said:
Agreed. Early impression is that he is going to lean toward athleticism first when evaluating talent as opposed to pure basketball skill . That may not be fair to judge with the guys he brought in so late but that's what I get from that group.
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Look at who he has already offered to for the next year.
 
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