Coaches and Handguns

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#28
this is the problem I have with it...


“Yeah, we do not allow any handguns,” Stoops explained. “I’ve made it very clear to them that I do not want them owning a handgun, even if they have a legal permit for it. They obviously can never have a handgun on campus, but I make it my policy to tell them no guns and come explain to me why they may need a gun because we definitely should not need a gun living in Lexington, Kentucky. So, that’s my policy.”


Who is Stoops to tell someone that you dont need a gun for protection in Lexington, KY? He's basically telling you what you can or cant own off campus.

With a crime rate of 45 per one thousand residents, Lexington has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 22. Within Kentucky, more than 93% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Lexington.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ky/lexington/crime/#description
 
#29
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08Vol said:
Walk into a court house with a hand gun and tell them it's your 2nd amendment right to have it there. Coaches set the rules for their players. If they don't like it then they can quit.
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So you'd be ok with a coach making a rule that required every member of the team to recite the Lord's Prayer before a game?
 
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txbo said:
Same question. Is it ok for a school or coach to require prayer or establish a campus religion?
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College is not a right or requirement, you don't have to go to college. therefore the coach isn't forcing the players to not own guns. kids made the choice to go to college to play football, as the coaches pointed out, no guns on campus (any campus); so the kids knew what they were getting into. The kids made their own choice to be in a gun-free zone.
 
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But college athletes usually make very level headed, thoughtful decisions. Definitely who I want packing.
 
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LouderVol said:
College is not a right or requirement, you don't have to go to college. therefore the coach isn't forcing the players to not own guns. kids made the choice to go to college to play football, as the coaches pointed out, no guns on campus (any campus); so the kids knew what they were getting into. The kids made their own choice to be in a gun-free zone.
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Guns are allowed on some campuses in the US but this is not about that. These coaches said no guns anywhere.

Nobody would be forcing them to say a prayer or worship a god they don't believe in either. The kid made the choice to attend a college or play football on a team that prays and worships a certain god.
 
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LouderVol said:
College is not a right or requirement, you don't have to go to college. therefore the coach isn't forcing the players to not own guns. kids made the choice to go to college to play football, as the coaches pointed out, no guns on campus (any campus); so the kids knew what they were getting into. The kids made their own choice to be in a gun-free zone.
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The problem is you aren't citing the actual issue that could become problematic. And actually even incorrect with your specifics anyway, see Mitchell v University of KY, where UK lost a lawsuit with someone wanting to legally have a firearm in his private vehicle on campus and specifically KRS 527.020(4). More broadly I think it's now 8 states that have at least some degree of outright campus carry.

It isn't just some nuance to point out that some coach's "team rules/policies" are one thing and cold, hard legal statutes and protections are another. I'd prefer to not have politics be involved with my sports but it can get pretty hairy pretty fast when a sports coach assumes their purview can extend not only beyond their campus or their sport but into areas actually specifically protected by certain laws. In the above cited case a student won a suit against the university for wrongful termination for having a firearm in his car. How do you think it would go for a student to be denied the right to have a firearm at all, even off campus? I have no idea but I don't know how anyone couldn't see the potential for problems if someone wanted to make an issue of the matter.
 
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I'm as big of a gun ownership proponent as there is. Own and carry guns almost always. That being said, I had no business having a handgun in college and I knew very few people that did. I'm completely ok with this.
 
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txbo said:
Guns are allowed on some campuses in the US but this is not about that. These coaches said no guns anywhere.

Nobody would be forcing them to say a prayer or worship a god they don't believe in either. The kid made the choice to attend a college or play football on a team that prays and worships a certain god.
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yup, I have yet to hear about any of the Notre Dame kids complain about the Catholics.
 
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hndog609 said:
The problem is you aren't citing the actual issue that could become problematic. And actually even incorrect with your specifics anyway, see Mitchell v University of KY, where UK lost a lawsuit with someone wanting to legally have a firearm in his private vehicle on campus and specifically KRS 527.020(4). More broadly I think it's now 8 states that have at least some degree of outright campus carry.

It isn't just some nuance to point out that some coach's "team rules/policies" are one thing and cold, hard legal statutes and protections are another. I'd prefer to not have politics be involved with my sports but it can get pretty hairy pretty fast when a sports coach assumes their purview can extend not only beyond their campus or their sport but into areas actually specifically protected by certain laws. In the above cited case a student won a suit against the university for wrongful termination for having a firearm in his car. How do you think it would go for a student to be denied the right to have a firearm at all, even off campus? I have no idea but I don't know how anyone couldn't see the potential for problems if someone wanted to make an issue of the matter.
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I agree it is dumb, and asking for lawsuits. But I have a hard time seeing the bad side from the coach's perspective. He doesn't want to have kids around that have guns, no law says he has to accept them. and as I stated there is no way for him to force the issue. he can't confiscate the gun, search the players or their property. I see it as house rules.

again its a choice and you can't take away the coaches right to choose. if it costs him his job, so be it; but I won't not let him stand for his principles even if I don't agree with it.
 
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Volfan76 said:
I'm as big of a gun ownership proponent as there is. Own and carry guns almost always. That being said, I had no business having a handgun in college and I knew very few people that did. I'm completely ok with this.
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So because you were irresponsible at that age, ban them for all the many responsible adult of that age. That's very progressive of you.
 
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Volfan76 said:
I'm as big of a gun ownership proponent as there is. Own and carry guns almost always. That being said, I had no business having a handgun in college and I knew very few people that did. I'm completely ok with this.
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right there with you...always carrying now but wasn't mature enough 30 years ago!
 
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