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#26
#26
getyopopcornready said:
Weren't all those teams atleast elite 8 teams the year before Rose, Anthony and Love showed up? or atleast made the tournament? correct me if im wrong...
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Syracuse definitely wasn't. Adding Carmelo and GMac was the difference. UCLA had tremendous losses, save Collison. Memphis was the PG away from being that quality.
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#27
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BigPapaVol said:
Syracuse definitely wasn't. Adding Carmelo and GMac was the difference. UCLA had tremendous losses, save Collison. Memphis was the PG away from being that quality.
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UK was what away from being that quality last year?

Yea, Anthony was a complete beast on the outside and inside, and GMac hit a quite a bit of 3's.. UK has neither one of those kinds of threats.. And having a Hakim Warrick inside doesn't hurt either

My point is, Uk was a long way from being an elite team last year. More than just a PG away
 
#30
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getyopopcornready said:
UK was what away from being that quality last year?

Yea, Anthony was a complete beast on the outside and inside, and GMac hit a quite a bit of 3's.. UK has neither one of those kinds of threats.. And having a Hakim Warrick inside doesn't hurt either

My point is, Uk was a long way from being an elite team last year. More than just a PG away
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Perry Stevenson was as productive last year as Warrick was the season before Anthony got to 'Cuse.
 
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#33
hatvol96 said:
Perry Stevenson was as productive last year as Warrick was the season before Anthony got to 'Cuse.
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Will Stevenson even get the chance to follow up from last season? I think not.. with Cousins, Orton and Patterson, there's just not much room for Perry to contribute
 
#34
#34
getyopopcornready said:
Who on UK's team compares to Anthony? Where did Syracuse finish the year before Anthony, and where did UK finish last year?
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Syracuse missed the NCAA genius. Went to the NIT. As did Kentucky last year. Except this team has 3 top 15 players coming in, not just 1.

Syracuse Basketball 2001-2002


getyopopcornready said:
And also who is the better coach? Boeheim or Calipari?
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Irrelevant to the arguement.

getyopopcornready said:
John Wall is no Carmelo Anthony
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Already tabbed as the pre-season player of the year by many, and projected #1 draft pick next year. Compared to Melo at this same point in his college career, I'd say he is.

getyopopcornready said:
Will Stevenson even get the chance to follow up from last season? I think not.. with Cousins, Orton and Patterson, there's just not much room for Perry to contribute
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Great point. lets see, if Perry was very productive, and now he's not even going to see playing time, it would be logical to assume that EVEN BETTER PLAYERS will be playing in front of him. top 10 players in their class.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Syracuse missed the NCAA genius. Went to the NIT. As did Kentucky last year. Except this team has 3 top 15 players coming in, not just 1.

Syracuse Basketball 2001-2002




Irrelevant to the arguement.



Already tabbed as the pre-season player of the year by many, and projected #1 draft pick next year. Compared to Melo at this same point in his college career, I'd say he is.



Great point. lets see, if Perry was very productive, and now he's not even going to see playing time, it would be logical to assume that EVEN BETTER PLAYERS will be playing in front of him. top 10 players in their class.
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Actually, I was pointing more to the fact Stevenson was productive last year because everyone else on your team sucked.

Let's see.. you're relying on freshmen to contribute at the following positions..

PG and backup PG
SG?
C and backup Center.

Syracuse relied on 2 freshmen with solid players at the other spots.

Memphis relied on 1 with star players at other spots

Just about every team that has relied on a freshman had solid players at every other spot where the freshman filled the void to make that team a national title contender.. Kentucky is filling like 5 spots with freshmen.. doesn't sound like a title contender to me
 
#36
#36
getyopopcornready said:
Will Stevenson even get the chance to follow up from last season? I think not.. with Cousins, Orton and Patterson, there's just not much room for Perry to contribute
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So, he was as productive as Warrick in the seasons we're comparing and he's not going to get off the bench? Kentucky must be pretty good.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Already tabbed as the pre-season player of the year by many, and projected #1 draft pick next year. Compared to Melo at this same point in his college career, I'd say he is.QUOTE]

Yep, I think you've been so spoiled, like many other college bball fans by Greg Oden and Derrick Rose that you think every top freshman will automatically lead their college team to a national champs.. Those teams were already elite teams that had a star freshman put them over the top..

Save any drastic improvements from Patterson's shot outside 8 feet, anyone becoming a serious threat on the perimeter or Demarcus Cousins becoming the next "baby shaq", Kentucky, at best will be a 4 seed in the tourney
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#39
#39
getyopopcornready said:
Yep, I think you've been so spoiled, like many other college bball fans by Greg Oden and Derrick Rose that you think every top freshman will automatically lead their college team to a national champs.. Those teams were already elite teams that had a star freshman put them over the top..

Save any drastic improvements from Patterson's shot outside 8 feet, anyone becoming a serious threat on the perimeter or Demarcus Cousins becoming the next "baby shaq", Kentucky, at best will be a 4 seed in the tourney
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On what planet was Ohio State an elite team before Oden, Conley, Cook, et al arrived on campus? Without those freshmen, that team plays in the NIT.
 
#40
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hatvol96 said:
So, he was as productive as Warrick in the seasons we're comparing and he's not going to get off the bench? Kentucky must be pretty good.
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Bobby Maze was more productive than Travis Walton, what's your point?.. It's not hard to find an upperclassmen that was more productive than a freshman who came off the bench.. How about we compare Warrick's junior year to Perry's Junior year
 
#41
#41
hatvol96 said:
On what planet was Ohio State an elite team before Oden, Conley, Cook, et al arrived on campus? Without those freshmen, that team plays in the NIT.
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Yea, and without Ivan Harris and Ron Lewis (legit 3 point threats) they are eliminated in the 2nd round of the tourney.. And again, I challenge you to compare the dominance of Greg Oden to anyone on Kentucky's team
 
#43
#43
getyopopcornready said:
They finished way better the year before than UK finished last year
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This answer has nothing absolutely to do with the question he asked.

Moving on....

Your assumption that Kentucky is no better than a 4 seed is absolutely ________ (Search thesaurus for dumb). Maybe they don't get a 1, but your out of your mind to think they are a 4.

As evidenced by the majority in this thread, your off base with your argument. We can bring this one back up in March.
 
#44
#44
I'm going way left on this one.. I don't think Kentucky is who everyone thinks they will be, and I think Demarcus Cousins will be a bust... Am I too far left on that one?
 
#45
#45
Hardwood_fanatic said:
This answer has nothing absolutely to do with the question he asked.

Moving on....

Your assumption that Kentucky is no better than a 4 seed is absolutely ________ (Search thesaurus for dumb). Maybe they don't get a 1, but your out of your mind to think they are a 4.

As evidenced by the majority in this thread, your off base with your argument. We can bring this one back up in March.
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Yea we'll see if you guys can beat the inferior opponents on your homecourt early in the season first and then we'll talk about March.. Until then, this is all pointless speculation of a team that went .500 in probably one of the worst years in SEC basketball
 
#46
#46
hatvol96 said:
Without Marvin Williams, UNC is a National Title lighter.
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Yeah he helped a lot. Too bad he didnt stay around for a couple more years. Roy Williams had a lot to do with that Championship also. Those guys went from being in the NIT a couple years before to winning the National Championship when he got there.
 
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