College Hoops Around The Country [TN opponents, RPI, others]

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orangemadam said:
R U kidding me? Johni Broome ahead of Knecht?
Aidoo about to show what Broome is all about! (c'mon, Jonas, back me up)
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If he wore Carolina blue, he'd be ahead of lurch at Purdue. Ain't no way a kid wearing UT orange has even a puncher's chance for an award like that.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
I agree with this. 4-0 is undeniably a one, whether the committee likes it or not. On paper, if 3-1 also yields a conference championship, that may tip the scale too. It will be hard to deny a conference champion from this league, this season. 3-1 with the loss being a champion Alabama is where I wonder.
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I may be over simplifying this, but is there any practical difference between 4-0 and 3-1 for seeding purposes? I think we're talking about the difference between being 4th overall and 5th overall. If that's the case, then we're talking about the same bracket and the same 1/2 opposite us in the bracket. I realized the first 2/3 games could be "slightly" more difficult as the 2, but not appreciably.

Win tonight and I think the floor is 3-1 and I think we're in either the 4th or 5th overall spot. After that, I just want conference championships b/c they are championships and the fact that winning them simultaneously denies them to UK, Bama & Bruce!
 
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vol9799 said:
I may be over simplifying this, but is there any practical difference between 4-0 and 3-1 for seeding purposes? I think we're talking about the difference between being 4th overall and 5th overall. If that's the case, then we're talking about the same bracket and the same 1/2 opposite us in the bracket. I realized the first 2/3 games could be "slightly" more difficult as the 2, but not appreciably.

Win tonight and I think the floor is 3-1 and I think we're in either the 4th or 5th overall spot. After that, I just want conference championships b/c they are championships and the fact that winning them simultaneously denies them to UK, Bama & Bruce!
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4th & 5th overall doesn’t mean same bracket though, they don’t just blanket snake order it via the S curve, they try to send teams to closest regions if possible while also keeping competitive balance in those regions. This is why you aren’t seeing Tennessee projected in Arizona’s West Region as the 2 seed at all, it’s all been Midwest with Purdue or South with Houston.

So a 1 seed at this point would likely mean you’re out West with Arizona as your 2, a 2 seed would likely mean you’re in the Midwest with Purdue as your 1 or South with Houston as your 1.
 
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If we’re 3-1, not a conference champion, and a razor thin margin from Arizona, I think they’ll get the nod solely on time zone TV ratings. They really prefer a true West team in that region. I think the difficulty will emerge if we are 3-1, with those additional Q1 wins and a conference championship. I just can’t see the SEC passing on a their leverage in that spot.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
If Tennessee loses another regular season game Alabama would be the one.
Though I don't see Alabama having enough defense to stop Tennessee,same goes for Kentucky.

Said it once and will say it again losing to South Carolina was caused by Looking ahead to Kentucky it will not happen again.
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Incorrect. Tennessee can go 3-1 and still be the 1-seed in the SECT (I’m assuming that’s what you’re talking about). But that requires Bama losing to Florida or at least losing 1 more game to someone. If both go 3-1, then it will come down to how the other teams like Auburn and South Carolina finish out the season.
 
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BallerVolFan said:
Incorrect. Tennessee can go 3-1 and still be the 1-seed in the SECT (I’m assuming that’s what you’re talking about). But that requires Bama losing to Florida or at least losing 1 more game to someone. If both go 3-1, then it will come down to how the other teams like Auburn and South Carolina finish out the season.
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I was saying IF Tennessee loses anymore conference games that could be the one.

Although I'm on record saying they will go 4-0 and get #1 seed in NCAA tournament.

Really don't care about conference tournament, it's all about money anyway has been for years.
 
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vol9799 said:
I may be over simplifying this, but is there any practical difference between 4-0 and 3-1 for seeding purposes? I think we're talking about the difference between being 4th overall and 5th overall. If that's the case, then we're talking about the same bracket and the same 1/2 opposite us in the bracket. I realized the first 2/3 games could be "slightly" more difficult as the 2, but not appreciably.

Win tonight and I think the floor is 3-1 and I think we're in either the 4th or 5th overall spot. After that, I just want conference championships b/c they are championships and the fact that winning them simultaneously denies them to UK, Bama & Bruce!
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There's no UT game tonight
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
I agree with this. 4-0 is undeniably a one, whether the committee likes it or not. On paper, if 3-1 also yields a conference championship, that may tip the scale too. It will be hard to deny a conference champion from this league, this season. 3-1 with the loss being a champion Alabama is where I wonder.
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I could be wrong, but if we go 3-1 yet don’t win the SEC regular season title, I don’t think the committee will give us a #1 seed.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
If we’re 3-1, not a conference champion, and a razor thin margin from Arizona, I think they’ll get the nod solely on time zone TV ratings. They really prefer a true West team in that region. I think the difficulty will emerge if we are 3-1, with those additional Q1 wins and a conference championship. I just can’t see the SEC passing on a their leverage in that spot.
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The committee will go with the metrics to slot the fourth #1 seed. Just because Arizona is in the West doesn’t give them a leg up, IMO. They’re going to be in the West Region either way (as a 1 or a 2).
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
If we’re 3-1, not a conference champion, and a razor thin margin from Arizona, I think they’ll get the nod solely on time zone TV ratings. They really prefer a true West team in that region. I think the difficulty will emerge if we are 3-1, with those additional Q1 wins and a conference championship. I just can’t see the SEC passing on a their leverage in that spot.
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Yeah, in a tight race, I think it will be very difficult to pass on an SEC champion, or co-champion for the 1 seed for a Pac-12 team who has to remain perfect to win their conference and hasn't beaten a team currently ranked in the top 25 since Dec. 21st. That's gonna be a tough sell. The SEC >>> Pac-12.

Arizona is 7-3 in Q1 games. Tennessee is 5-5. If we go 3-1 to finish, that would have us 9-6 in Q1 games to Arizona's 7-3, and they also have 2 Q2 losses to our 1, and a Q3 loss to our 0.

Objectively speaking, those two résumés aren't really comparable. To add, the best UNC can do is 8-4 in Q1, and like Arizona, they have a Q3 loss, as well.

***Edited to note that our Florida win is again a Q1 win. They jumped to #30 after last night's results.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
I was saying IF Tennessee loses anymore conference games that could be the one.

Although I'm on record saying they will go 4-0 and get #1 seed in NCAA tournament.

Really don't care about conference tournament, it's all about money anyway has been for years.
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My apologies, interpreted your post the wrong way.
 
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VolCalls said:
The committee will go with the metrics to slot the fourth #1 seed. Just because Arizona is in the West doesn’t give them a leg up, IMO. They’re going to be in the West Region either way (as a 1 or a 2).
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They definitively consider ratings and audience in the process of both placing and ranking teams sadly. That doesn’t mean they won’t shoehorn it back into a narrative about their guidelines, but it’s a reality nonetheless. The spectre that benefits us is the weight of our conference in a year when we have nine plus deserving teams to make the field. I think 3-1 conference winner means we get the last one seed. That’s speculation, but it’s based on the leverage of the most profitable conference.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
They definitively consider ratings and audience in the process of both placing and ranking teams sadly. That doesn’t mean they won’t shoehorn it back into a narrative about their guidelines, but it’s a reality nonetheless. The spectre that benefits us is the weight of our conference in a year when we have nine plus deserving teams to make the field. I think 3-1 conference winner means we get the last one seed. That’s speculation, but it’s based on the leverage of the most profitable conference.
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I think Arizona has several things going for them ... name recognition is better than TN, region recognition is better for them, ...
So, I will be shocked if that 4th #1 is anybody not names Arizona or North Carolina.
I am not looking at the stats and metrics ... I am looking at the optics of the selection.
 
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