Comrad Pelosi in Syria talks

#26
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CSpindizzy said:
Again, go back and read Bush and Cheney's statements. All of them harp on the fact that this trip should not have taken place. Even the GOP members were told not to go. So again I will ask why there is no outcry against them. Fact is the group went as a whole to a nation that our policy is "one voice" and one controlled because of Syria's own actions. So frankly it does not matter if those three did every move that Pelosi did when the arguments against her going focus on her actually going in the first place.

Keep in mind that trips to these nations take approval by Executive Branch agencies. So this was a known event and an approved event. But yet after approval, this same branch has a problem with this.

As for the statement from Israel that is in question, just because Olmert says it didn't happen does not mean it did not. People have been quick to say "see Pelosi is a liar". Statements like this are passed constantly. typically they are kept under the radar since it is under the table discussions between nations not supposed to be speaking to each other. Odds are some rookie staffer leaked the info as an attempt to plug the mission and the supposed good it would do. Olmert can deny but fact is something was passed and it appears to at least gotten some movement.

The Executive is the 'decider' but when the Constitution gives treaty approval to the Senate, that alone says the founders gave some foreign policy power to Congress. The body of the people do have a voice in what happens with their nation. The foreign policy issue is primarily an Executive power because of it having a singular voice to negotiate and maneuver. It does not mean Congress cannot do such as it has for decades and actually since the founding.
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Shhhh... remember the media has some outrageous liberal bias.
 
#27
#27
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
(see Clement L. Vallandigham)

That is the treatment she needs...
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I'd love to see you try and debate your issues with Nancy TVA. She would completely shred your line of thought and the mysticism you're infamous for on this board. Just be careful what you ask for TVA. She's gonna be around for a while whether you like it or not.
 
#28
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StunnA N' Orange said:
I'd love to see you try and debate your issues with Nancy TVA. She would completely shred your line of thought and the mysticism you're infamous for on this board. Just be careful what you ask for TVA. She's gonna be around for a while whether you like it or not.
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She keeps making trips like this she won't
 
#29
#29
CSpindizzy said:
Again, go back and read Bush and Cheney's statements. All of them harp on the fact that this trip should not have taken place. Even the GOP members were told not to go. So again I will ask why there is no outcry against them. Fact is the group went as a whole to a nation that our policy is "one voice" and one controlled because of Syria's own actions. So frankly it does not matter if those three did every move that Pelosi did when the arguments against her going focus on her actually going in the first place.

Keep in mind that trips to these nations take approval by Executive Branch agencies. So this was a known event and an approved event. But yet after approval, this same branch has a problem with this.

As for the statement from Israel that is in question, just because Olmert says it didn't happen does not mean it did not. People have been quick to say "see Pelosi is a liar". Statements like this are passed constantly. typically they are kept under the radar since it is under the table discussions between nations not supposed to be speaking to each other. Odds are some rookie staffer leaked the info as an attempt to plug the mission and the supposed good it would do. Olmert can deny but fact is something was passed and it appears to at least gotten some movement.

The Executive is the 'decider' but when the Constitution gives treaty approval to the Senate, that alone says the founders gave some foreign policy power to Congress. The body of the people do have a voice in what happens with their nation. The foreign policy issue is primarily an Executive power because of it having a singular voice to negotiate and maneuver. It does not mean Congress cannot do such as it has for decades and actually since the founding.
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There is a distinction between the trip and the level of diplomacy action that Pelosi has taken on. My guess is that the WH wasn't too concerned that the Reps. would directly send mixed signals on the foreign policy of the US. Pelosi has shown that their concerns were real - she has overstepped her bounds.

I wouldn't consider Pelosi a liar but her grandstanding and trying to suggest a change in diplomatic relations between Israel, Syria and the US shows why the WH didn't want her in particular involved.

Congress has a role in foreign policy - treaties as you suggest, funding, advise and consent on appointments etc. However, the Exec branch is charged with conducting foreign policy - particularly with conducting relations with foreign heads of state.

The Dems under Pelosi are trying to change foreign policy -- the WH doesn't like it and accordingly are speaking out. I doubt it would be any different if the situation were reversed.

If your main point is that there is selective political outrage, then I would agree but it's hard to find an issue in DC that doesn't involve such. In this particular case, Pelosi is overstepping her authority. Criticism is deserved.
 
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#31
volinbham said:
In this particular case, Pelosi is overstepping her authority. Criticism is deserved.
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No matter what your "guess" is, the fact remains that the GOP Reps all were in attendance and were as involved in the whole process. Again, the Executive had to approve the trip for clearances so if criticism is involved it would have to be for Bush even allowing this to occur in the first place. It's hard to criticise Pelosi when she was given this trip by the WH. If Bush has a problem with what it could have done, perhaps another tier of low level staffers need to be sacked for his own shortcomings.
 
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#35
But the Executive can do no wrong. Any time the Executive Branch is held to task it is blamed on partisan witchhunts or biased media. God forbid that this branch is so pious it has and never will commit a wrong.
 
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