Conference Power

[vols2345]

That's if you just use Final Four berths. If you hold Arizona accountable for first round flameouts to the likes of Santa Clara and Seton Hall over the years, the list of teams with better resumes grows considerably.

I will give you that. but they are one of the few teams that when you hear that you have to play them, it gets u nervous. this how I figure you are a great team or not. Its just me though, no hard feelings.

 

[Vol423]

Big east potentially could have 3, Nova, Conn, and BC.

Try again. BC is in the ACC, not the Big East.

 

[milohimself]

That's if you just use Final Four berths. If you hold Arizona accountable for first round flameouts to the likes of Santa Clara and Seton Hall over the years, the list of teams with better resumes grows considerably.

Oh yeah, that's cause nobody else EVER flames out in the first round. That happened to Syracuse (AGAIN), Iowa, Kansas (AGAIN) and Michigan State this year alone.

 

[hatvol96]

So? It's because there are previous histories of winning. Justin Barry, Lute Olsen, John Wooden, Ralph Miller, Howard Hobson, the list goes on.

I'm done. If you want to keep convincing yourself that west coast athletics are all second-rate, go ahead.

You miss my point, Milo. Ralph Miller is one of the all-time greats. You forgot Pete Newell, Phil Woolpert, and Slats Gill. Wooden? Hey, with the Mob buying you players, you should be successful. My point is that the west hasn't had the depth they should of late. Arizona has feasted on that. An example of the problem is Oregon not sending Ernie Kent packing. The Pac-10 allows guys like him to wallow around and bottom out their programs.

 

[hatvol96]

Try again. BC is in the ACC, not the Big East.

G'Town and WVU are still alive.

 

[vols2345]

You miss my point, Milo. Ralph Miller is one of the all-time greats. You forgot Pete Newell, Phil Woolpert, and Slats Gill. Wooden? Hey, with the Mob buying you players, you should be successful. My point is that the west hasn't had the depth they should of late. Arizona has feasted on that. An example of the problem is Oregon not sending Ernie Kent packing. The Pac-10 allows guys like him to wallow around and bottom out their programs.

mob buying your players??? now is that any diffrent then coach K getting all these commericals giving his team world publicity brain washing kids to belive they are the greatest team ever?? I dont think so.

 

[hatvol96]

mob buying your players??? now is that any diffrent then coach K getting all these commericals giving his team world publicity brain washing kids to belive they are the greatest team ever?? I dont think so.

American Express is a legitimate corporation. Sam Gilbert was an admitted mobster. I think there's a considerable difference.

 

[milohimself]

You miss my point, Milo. Ralph Miller is one of the all-time greats. You forgot Pete Newell, Phil Woolpert, and Slats Gill. Wooden? Hey, with the Mob buying you players, you should be successful. My point is that the west hasn't had the depth they should of late. Arizona has feasted on that. An example of the problem is Oregon not sending Ernie Kent packing. The Pac-10 allows guys like him to wallow around and bottom out their programs.

Wow... I could say something about you calling out Wooden for buying players, while living in SEC country... But I'll pass.

Yeah, Oregon may haven't bailed on Kent. It's not like things are any better on the East coast, in fact it can be the opposite sometimes. Here's an example, Alabama bailing on football coaches how many times in the last couple years? It happens all over the place.

 

[vols2345]

American Express is a legitimate corporation. Sam Gilbert was an admitted mobster. I think there's a considerable difference.

Yeah........ What ever makes you sleep better at night. I have my own opinon on the matter.

 

[hatvol96]

Wow... I could say something about you calling out Wooden for buying players, while living in SEC country... But I'll pass.

Yeah, Oregon may haven't bailed on Kent. It's not like things are any better on the East coast, in fact it can be the opposite sometimes. Here's an example, Alabama bailing on football coaches how many times in the last couple years? It happens all over the place.

Overzealous boosters are one thing. Racketeers are another. I'm saying Oregon not firing Kent is an example of why the Pac-10 doesn't prosper. With all of Phil Knight's money, I think they should be able to bring in a quality coach. No conference should have athletic departments that allow guys like Kevin Eastman and Paul Graham to hang around for years on end.

 

[hatvol96]

Wow... I could say something about you calling out Wooden for buying players, while living in SEC country... But I'll pass.

Yeah, Oregon may haven't bailed on Kent. It's not like things are any better on the East coast, in fact it can be the opposite sometimes. Here's an example, Alabama bailing on football coaches how many times in the last couple years? It happens all over the place.

By the way, I live in New York now.

 

[Vol423]

G'Town and WVU are still alive.

I'm aware of that. I was addressing his comment that Boston College was a Big East team.

 

[vols2345]

By the way, I live in New York now.

that explains alot. thats almost as bad as milo and I being west coasters.....

 

[hatvol96]

that explains alot. thats almost as bad as milo and I being west coasters.....

I have no complaints about living in the greatest city in the world.

 

[milohimself]

Overzealous boosters are one thing. Racketeers are another. I'm saying Oregon not firing Kent is an example of why the Pac-10 doesn't prosper. With all of Phil Knight's money, I think they should be able to bring in a quality coach. No conference should have athletic departments that allow guys like Kevin Eastman and Paul Graham to hang around for years on end.

Or bail on a coach at the first sign of trouble, because of easily swayed fanbase and group of boosters, which seems to be the case with the large majority of top athletics programs from the plains on East.

As far as Oregon goes, just because it's probably one of, if not the best funded athletics programs in the country doesn't mean Knight and his crew are the greatest at running things. You just have to know how to run things. There are programs out here, namely Washington, Arizona and UCLA, which experience every bit of success teams in the east have (with the exception of Duke and North Carolina... Those two schools are on a level of their own).

No region is without it's problems. West coast bases probably aren't invested enough in their programs, and many top programs in the east are very fickle and unreasonable.

 

[hatvol96]

Or bail on a coach at the first sign of trouble, because of easily swayed fanbase and group of boosters, which seems to be the case with the large majority of top athletics programs from the plains on East.

As far as Oregon goes, just because it's probably one of, if not the best funded athletics programs in the country doesn't mean Knight and his crew are the greatest at running things. You just have to know how to run things. There are programs out here, namely Washington, Arizona and UCLA, which experience every bit of success teams in the east have (with the exception of Duke and North Carolina... Those two schools are on a level of their own).

No region is without it's problems. West coast bases probably aren't invested enough in their programs, and many top programs in the east are very fickle and unreasonable.

Washington? Please tell me you're kidding Milo. They've been good for about 5 minutes. UCLA? Post Wooden/Sam Gilbert, their resume is no more impressive than any number of teams.

 

[vols2345]

Washington? Please tell me you're kidding Milo. They've been good for about 5 minutes. UCLA? Post Wooden/Sam Gilbert, their resume is no more impressive than any number of teams.

well if we are going to start taking away wooden/gilbert, we best take away coach K and dean smith. how pretty is unc and duke looking now? not very.

 

[hatvol96]

well if we are going to start taking away wooden/gilbert, we best take away coach K and dean smith. how pretty is unc and duke looking now? not very.

If you say that, you obviously don't know your history. Look up Frank McGuire's record at UNC and the accomplishments of Vic Bubas at Duke. Didn't North Carolina win the tournament last year? I don't think Dean was coaching.

 

[GAVol]

...and the two titles that Dean won in all those years were both aided by complete brain cramps by the opposing team.

 

[Vol423]

If you say that, you obviously don't know your history. Look up Frank McGuire's record at UNC and the accomplishments of Vic Bubas at Duke. Didn't North Carolina win the tournament last year? I don't think Dean was coaching.

Actually, UNC has won 2 National Championships since Dean left. Guthridge won one and then Roy won it last year.

 

[hatvol96]

Actually, UNC has won 2 National Championships since Dean left. Guthridge won one and then Roy won it last year.

Guthridge did NOT win a national championship.

 

[Vol423]

Guthridge did NOT win a national championship.

Oops. You're right. My mistake.

 

[hatvol96]

Oops. You're right. My mistake.

No problem. They should have won in '98, when they lost to Utah in the national semifinals.

 

[Vol423]

No problem. They should have won in '98, when they lost to Utah in the national semifinals.

Obviously I'm still trying to get over that loss. I'm still trying to check it off as another NC.

 

[milohimself]

Always traumaic.