Conservative Javier Milei Is Elected the New President of Argentina

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n_huffhines said:
Never heard of this guy to comment on him before his election. Not even sure what the hell you're talking about with the pure intentions comment. Pure intention to differentiate him from Trump? I had to get in early or it's illegitimate? What is happening in this thread? I gotta talk to actual libertarians, not bring up Trump, and have pure intentions. So many hoops to jump through to appease. Either he's different from Trump and Eakle's/I'm right or he's very similar to Trump and I'm wrong. My intentions have no bearing.
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🙄 Allow me to start over. I’m not trying to make anyone a victim or have anyone jump through hoops. I’ll even state up front I 100% agree Trump and Milei are not anywhere close to the same on policy.

This guy’s tweets you shared strike me as really disingenuous. It’s because in their tone they seek to run down “MAGA” / conservatives versus celebrate a Libertarian win in a country that desperately needs it.

The question in the tweets you shared was:

“So why are MAGA conservatives, nationalists, and other big government extremists on the right claiming he's one of them?”

“MAGA conservatives in the USA are celebrating Javier Milei's win as though his platform is somehow similar to theirs.This is hilarious and laughable.MAGA has more in common with the candidates Milei defeated than with Milei himself.”

Maybe it’s because they have been told that by multiple big media sources. I provided evidence for this. You can google it and find many more. Argentina’s Trump. Mini Trump.

The points he is trying to make get drowned out by his whiney tone which is sadly synonymous with Libertarians. They spend more time playing sanctimonious than developing candidates to carry forward a coherent message.

So it seems really disingenuous to me to now spend time using this win for Libertarians to run down Trump supporters…especially if he was silent when the Trump badge was being attached to Milei’s candidacy, which I provided evidence for in the links of my last post. That’s what I meant about true intentions. His tweets come off to me more as a smear and less of an affirmation of Milei’s agenda.
 
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n_huffhines said:
When did I do that? Show me. So far, I showed you to be the only one to do it. I can't figure out what you're talking about.
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“I’ll try to come up with someone with better credentials to impress you, although you’re certainly not an actual libertarian “ Post 61
 
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tbh said:
Leaning heavily in a libertarian direction myself, sometimes these back and forth discussions about who is or who isn't reminds me of this:

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The libertarian community as a whole seems to me to always get caught up in a continual no true Scotsman logic fallacy

ETA and I lean libertarian myself these days moreso than Republican.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Are you saying you don't like Milei? All I know about him is in this thread. Seems pretty good. What libertarians are you referencing?

I'm posting tweets from the director of marketing of Students for Liberty who used to be a state chair for the LP. I'll try to come up with somebody with better credentials to impress you, even though you're most assuredly not an actual libertarian.

I know the criticism stings, otherwise you wouldn't be crying so much. You reduce my arguments about policy to "orange man" ********, which I'm pretty sure is a criticism I have never levied. If you can't take policy criticisms without crying about it, the PF is not for you.
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I personally know the man you quoted, good guy but 100% very left leaning. I think he’d be the first to admit that
 
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volinbham said:
you said:

I'm posting tweets from the director of marketing of Students for Liberty who used to be a state chair for the LP. I'll try to come up with somebody with better credentials to impress you, even though you're most assuredly not an actual libertarian.

in #61
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OK, but that came after he said it to me, so what is he talking about? It was solely based on him saying it to me about Eakle (and maybe me, unclear). He hadn't claimed libertarian yet and was defending Trump with a non-libertarian defense. I wasn't saying he's not a real libertarian. I was guessing he's not claiming libertarian at all. He even admitted later that he "should have included myself" when talking about libertarians.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
“I’ll try to come up with someone with better credentials to impress you, although you’re certainly not an actual libertarian “ Post 61
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That was in response to you saying it in post 49. You said I started it.

You also called me a vagina, and trolled by calling my post boring, etc. You don't seem to care about engaging in good faith. Where's your ETSU professor? I bet he and I could have a good convo.
 
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DC_Vol said:
🙄 Allow me to start over. I’m not trying to make anyone a victim or have anyone jump through hoops. I’ll even state up front I 100% agree Trump and Milei are not anywhere close to the same on policy.

This guy’s tweets you shared strike me as really disingenuous. It’s because in their tone they seek to run down “MAGA” / conservatives versus celebrate a Libertarian win in a country that desperately needs it.

The question in the tweets you shared was:

“So why are MAGA conservatives, nationalists, and other big government extremists on the right claiming he's one of them?”

“MAGA conservatives in the USA are celebrating Javier Milei's win as though his platform is somehow similar to theirs.This is hilarious and laughable.MAGA has more in common with the candidates Milei defeated than with Milei himself.”

Maybe it’s because they have been told that by multiple big media sources. I provided evidence for this. You can google it and find many more. Argentina’s Trump. Mini Trump.

The points he is trying to make get drowned out by his whiney tone which is sadly synonymous with Libertarians. They spend more time playing sanctimonious than developing candidates to carry forward a coherent message.

So it seems really disingenuous to me to now spend time using this win for Libertarians to run down Trump supporters…especially if he was silent when the Trump badge was being attached to Milei’s candidacy, which I provided evidence for in the links of my last post. That’s what I meant about true intentions. His tweets come off to me more as a smear and less of an affirmation of Milei’s agenda.
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So you want him to respond to left-wing media because that's a priority to you in this specific convo, and if he doesn't, then a criticism of MAGA is somehow invalidated. OK. Maybe he was unaware of him like I was. This is his first tweet about him:



The first I heard about Milei was MAGA people celebrating as if this is one of their own, so why would my response be about left-wing media. I didn't know about it until you told me. I would say it's important to clear the air on that whether I'm pure of heart or not. If you (not you specifically) indeed like the things that MIlei stands for, you shouldn't be looking for it in Trump. Sorry the message isn't coming from somebody who has a candidate ready to lead us to the promised land. Sorry we're whiney. But we still gotta say it. For the sake of truth in politics. Trump is a big government phony. He has proven that. Milei doesn't appear to be. We shall see.
 
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n_huffhines said:
That was in response to you saying it in post 49. You said I started it.

You also called me a vagina, and trolled by calling my post boring, etc. You don't seem to care about engaging in good faith. Where's your ETSU professor? I bet he and I could have a good convo.
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Yes I admit that I called you the V word. Not saying it’s right but I own it. You absolutely claimed I wasn’t a libertarian And then said you didn’t say it while myself and two other posters looked on in disbelief. Either way it’s done. Let’s just move on. It’s not like I was in the right either
 
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n_huffhines said:
So you want him to respond to left-wing media because that's a priority to you in this specific convo, and if he doesn't, then a criticism of MAGA is somehow invalidated. OK. Maybe he was unaware of him like I was. This is his first tweet about him:



The first I heard about Milei was MAGA people celebrating as if this is one of their own, so why would my response be about left-wing media. I didn't know about it until you told me. I would say it's important to clear the air on that whether I'm pure of heart or not. If you (not you specifically) indeed like the things that MIlei stands for, you shouldn't be looking for it in Trump. Sorry the message isn't coming from somebody who has a candidate ready to lead us to the promised land. Sorry we're whiney. But we still gotta say it. For the sake of truth in politics. Trump is a big government phony. He has proven that. Milei doesn't appear to be. We shall see.
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You're intentionally missing the one HUGE way in which Trump and Milei are similar. From a policy perspective they are not that close (though Trump is a closer fit than any other viable candidate we've seen), but they are the same in that they are both GIANT middle fingers to their corrupt left wing establishment governments and cultural elites. Maga people don't like Trump because of his policy. They like him because he's seen as a man of the people (right or wrong). Same with Milei.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
You're intentionally missing the one HUGE way in which Trump and Milei are similar. From a policy perspective they are not that close (though Trump is a closer fit than any other viable candidate we've seen), but they are the same in that they are both GIANT middle fingers to their corrupt left wing establishment governments and cultural elites. Maga people don't like Trump because of his policy. They like him because he's seen as a man of the people (right or wrong). Same with Milei.
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The definition of resentment politics. Just be against everything. And do it bitterly. Be a combination of Archie Bunker and Ralph Cramden.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The definition of resentment politics. Just be against everything. And do it bitterly. Be a combination of Archie Bunker and Ralph Cramden.
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When "everything" is a corrupt establishment that views itself as a ruling class rather than representatives by and for the people, then I see no problem with resenting "everything" and being against "everything". Doesn't mean it is necessarily correct from a policy perspective, but it is a legitimate thing to resent people actively doing harm to you and your country.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Yes I admit that I called you the V word. Not saying it’s right but I own it. You absolutely claimed I wasn’t a libertarian And then said you didn’t say it while myself and two other posters looked on in disbelief. Either way it’s done. Let’s just move on. It’s not like I was in the right either
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Bro, you said I said it first, so I mostly looked around for posts before 49. You come in here and say I did it post 61 and that y'all are in disbelief, LOL. Of course, you want to move on. I'm good with it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The definition of resentment politics. Just be against everything. And do it bitterly. Be a combination of Archie Bunker and Ralph Cramden.
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I'm not against everything. I'm against big government.

As if the left and right aren't bitter. As if the left and right aren't against basically everything the other party does (flip flopping in the process). As if the left and right are presenting candidates who will lead us to the promised land. As if the left and right aren't whiney.

All these complaints about libertarians can be pointed right back at y'all.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
When "everything" is a corrupt establishment that views itself as a ruling class rather than representatives by and for the people, then I see no problem with resenting "everything" and being against "everything". Doesn't mean it is necessarily correct from a policy perspective, but it is a legitimate thing to resent people actively doing harm to you and your country.
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n_huffhines said:
I'm not against everything. I'm against big government.

As if the left and right aren't bitter. As if the left and right aren't against basically everything the other party does (flip flopping in the process). As if the left and right are presenting candidates who will lead us to the promised land. As if the left and right aren't whiney.

All these complaints about libertarians can be pointed right back at y'all.
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Ok, but voting for Trump just because he echoes your resentments, but is the equivalent of putting a hamster at the controls of a bullet train, makes no sense.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Bro, you said I said it first, so I mostly looked around for posts before 49. You come in here and say I did it post 61 and that y'all are in disbelief, LOL. Of course, you want to move on. I'm good with it.
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I said to some actual libertarians because up until yesterday I never knew that you identified as one. It meant talk to some actual libertarian’s instead of quoting the MAGAs. My comment was in no way a slight to you other than my mild annoyance at Trump being brought into it again. I wanted to move on because I felt bad for calling you the V word. No other reason.
 
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There it is again.

Dublin riots and the controversy over Irish fighter Conor McGregor​

The MMA star has become a hero of the far right for his comments after a stabbing outside a school
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I said to some actual libertarians because up until yesterday I never knew that you identified as one. It meant talk to some actual libertarian’s instead of quoting the MAGAs. My comment was in no way a slight to you other than my mild annoyance at Trump being brought into it again. I wanted to move on because I felt bad for calling you the V word. No other reason.
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What are you talking about? This is revisionism. I quoted a libertarian which is a pretty good clue, but even if you weren't talking about me, you were definitely talking about Eakle, questioning his libertarianism. I didn't quote any MAGAs. I said they should stop settling for Trump and elect someone like Milei. I think this pretty strongly implies I am libertarian.
 
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Orangeburst said:
news.yahoo.com

Milei heads to US as next Argentine leader

Argentina's president-elect Javier Milei was traveling Sunday to the United States to meet with US and international officials over two days."Heading to the United States.
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com

there is that far right label again. failed socialist policy and the left doubles always down on stupid. Nobody in their right mind would say Argentina has been a success under left leadership, yet an alternative is mocked. now that is a cult.
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On the other hand, do you remember what things were like there when the real far right ran things?
 
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n_huffhines said:
What are you talking about? This is revisionism. I quoted a libertarian which is a pretty good clue, but even if you weren't talking about me, you were definitely talking about Eakle, questioning his libertarianism. I didn't quote any MAGAs. I said they should stop settling for Trump and elect someone like Milei. I think this pretty strongly implies I am libertarian.
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Nope the comment wasn’t directed at Eakle either. Again you made a huge misread of the situation. I’ve tried to diffuse this by saying I was wrong too. Two other posters literally corrected you on the spot. I’ve said I was wrong too and let’s move on and you’ve just kept running your mouth like a petulant child wanting to have the last word. I don’t ever put anyone on ignore but I’ll certainly never involve myself in a discussion with you. Good luck.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Nope the comment wasn’t directed at Eakle either. Again you made a huge misread of the situation. I’ve tried to diffuse this by saying I was wrong too. Two other posters literally corrected you on the spot. I’ve said I was wrong too and let’s move on and you’ve just kept running your mouth like a petulant child wanting to have the last word. I don’t ever put anyone on ignore but I’ll certainly never involve myself in a discussion with you. Good luck.
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So now you try to get the last word and it's another insult? You started with hypocrisy and you end with hypocrisy.
 
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