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BigPapaVol said:
Get the IR scope.
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Is there any other applications for it other than night shooting or hunting? Because I don't hunt and don't ever see myself firing it at night. It would be cool to have though.
 
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rjd970 said:
Is there any other applications for it other than night shooting or hunting? Because I don't hunt and don't ever see myself firing it at night. It would be cool to have though.
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They make it with the laser dot for day use. If I'm getting an AR 15, I'm prepared to dust off invaders. The night scope would do the same for you and be cheaper, but the IR is better in the dark.
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#28
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BigPapaVol said:
They make it with the laser dot for day use. If I'm getting an AR 15, I'm prepared to dust off invaders. The night scope would do the same for you and be cheaper, but the IR is better in the dark.
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Gotcha. I prefer an old fashion shotgun for home defense. No need to aim, or even see really, and range doesn't mean much. I buying the AR 15 as a sexy toy to take out to the range.
 
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rjd970 said:
Gotcha. I prefer an old fashion shotgun for home defense. No need to aim, or even see really, and range doesn't mean much. I buying the AR 15 as a sexy toy to take out to the range.
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I'm down. I'd spend it on a decent rifle and a very good shotgun. Try night firing. It's a confidence builder. Once you've drilled holes in the dark, you know anyone coming in the dark has a problem. FYI, don't creep up my driveway in the dark. I like night toys. Probably from flying.
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm down. I'd spend it on a decent rifle and a very good shotgun. Try night firing. It's a confidence builder. Once you've drilled holes in the dark, you know anyone coming in the dark has a problem. FYI, don't creep up my driveway in the dark. I like night toys. Probably from flying.
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I'm definitely going to look into the IR scope. I never thought much about it, but night firing sounds fun.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'm definitely going to look into the IR scope. I never thought much about it, but night firing sounds fun.
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it is but to do it right in Alabama you'll need a spotlight, a 12 pack and a sharp knife
 
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utvolpj said:
it is but to do it right in Alabama you'll need a spotlight, a 12 pack and a sharp knife
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You've got that right. But lately the game wardens have really done a good job in my area on cracking down on these idiots.

On a side note, last year a friend of mines house was hit by someone shooting at a deer at night. They ended up catching the guy and he is looking at some time.
 
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rjd970 said:
Stepdad and I are going to the range this weekend to fire his AR-15. He got a new laser sight for it that is badazz. If I like it enough I may think about getting one myself and pimp it out with all kinds of mods.
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:hi:

If you get a chance, get a hold of an XM-8 Assault Rifle.

:eek:k:
 
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#34
OrangeEmpire said:
:hi:

If you get a chance, get a hold of an XM-8 Assault Rifle.

:eek:k:
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Where would you get one of those? Were they ever even available to civilians?

At any rate I was under the impression the whole project had gotten scrapped back in 05/06, at least for the US military's interest. I suppose HK could still be working with it on their own.

While not quite as cool looking but certainly more available would be a SCAR.
 
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rjd970 said:
Gotcha. I prefer an old fashion shotgun for home defense. No need to aim, or even see really, and range doesn't mean much. I buying the AR 15 as a sexy toy to take out to the range.
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From one 2nd Amendment lover to another, you definitely want to be able to aim and see what you are firing at. If you can't see them, you probably shouldn't pull the trigger. You just never know.
 
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IPorange said:
From one 2nd Amendment lover to another, you definitely want to be able to aim and see what you are firing at. If you can't see them, you probably shouldn't pull the trigger. You just never know.
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If somebody is crawling through my bedroom window in the middle of the night, asking who they are or what they are doing isn't going to be high on my priority list. Regardless, I understand what you are saying. I just think shotguns are more practical for home defense because of the ease of use and lower requirement for accuracy.
 
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rjd970 said:
If somebody is crawling through my bedroom window in the middle of the night, asking who they are or what they are doing isn't going to be high on my priority list. Regardless, I understand what you are saying. I just think shotguns are more practical for home defense because of the ease of use and lower requirement for accuracy.
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And the fact that the projectiles aren't a threat to go out of your house, across the street, and into the neighbor's. Depending where you live and your neighborhood, rifles or pistols might be risky in that regard. No worries with a shotgun.
 
#38
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rjd970 said:
If somebody is crawling through my bedroom window in the middle of the night, asking who they are or what they are doing isn't going to be high on my priority list. Regardless, I understand what you are saying. I just think shotguns are more practical for home defense because of the ease of use and lower requirement for accuracy.
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That's actually a pretty overrated aspect in a home defense scenario. Just about everything in HD happens in 7yds or less. A shotgun blast at that range is still going to be pretty tight. (damn devastating to be sure but hardly a "in that general direction" proposition)
 
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hndog609 said:
That's actually a pretty overrated aspect in a home defense scenario. Just about everything in HD happens in 7yds or less. A shotgun blast at that range is still going to be pretty tight. (damn devastating to be sure but hardly a "in that general direction" proposition)
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The pattern being the size of a softball versus a bullet the size of a pencil eraser is a fair amount of difference. I do agree that is a little overrated, though.
 
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#40
hndog609 said:
Where would you get one of those? Were they ever even available to civilians?

At any rate I was under the impression the whole project had gotten scrapped back in 05/06, at least for the US military's interest. I suppose HK could still be working with it on their own.

While not quite as cool looking but certainly more available would be a SCAR.
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Over 2 million were made..... look around.

:eek:k:
 
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#41
Agreed about the shotgun accuracy. But the choke on the barrel plays a pretty big part too. A wider choke makes for a wider shot pattern. While a full choke would be a whole lot tighter even at that short distance.
 
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#42
hndog609 said:
Where would you get one of those? Were they ever even available to civilians?

At any rate I was under the impression the whole project had gotten scrapped back in 05/06, at least for the US military's interest. I suppose HK could still be working with it on their own.

While not quite as cool looking but certainly more available would be a SCAR.
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www.vanceoutdoors.com
 
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#43
The "conservative vs. liberals" thread has turned into a gun thread!!! I love it... :good!: :p

Don't underestimate the value of large, well trained dogs for a first line of home defense. You will know something is up in plenty of time to arm yourself and assume a good defensive position. I have a shotgun, but in case I ever have to fire around my dogs without hitting them, my 9mm Sig P228 is my first choice. My wife can back me up with her snub .38 revolver. That being said, I imagine the sound of a round being pumped into a shotgun would be a pretty scary and discouraging sound to a perp. :machgun:

Odds are pretty good that any predator is going to be discouraged by the presence of large, aggressive dogs and seek easier prey elsewhere.
 
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#44
OrangeEmpire said:
www.vanceoutdoors.com
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Was this just a site you're familiar with (looks like it might be pretty good) in an FYI kinda way or was this in some way connected to the XM8 thing? If so, I can't find the latter.

JP, if you happen to have the ability to have a dog, especially a large one then yeah, it's a real asset. The deterrent effect is so recognized it gives us things like this:

Barking Dog Alarm

Not to mention a large and loyal dog would rather die than let something hurt you.

Dog Saves Couple From Mountain Lion In Cleveland National Forest - cbs2.com

Had a malamute that even my friends and family were careful around. No "playfully" tackling me with Akila around. Friendly dog, but you didn't mess with "The Man".

Holy crap we've wandered off topic. Umm...my dog would never have voted for Obama and was all about defending home and hearth and conservative values. (that sorta keeps us on topic)
 
#45
#45
back off topic :)

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#46
Thanks for posting that mountain lion attack link. Nice dog story, especially since the dog is going to be okay, but it also demonstrates the partisan foolishness of elected officials who are banning all self-defense firearms from our National Forests, thus essentially putting the populace at risk of death from being mauled by a wild animal.
 
#47
#47
J-P said:
Thanks for posting that mountain lion attack link. Nice dog story, especially since the dog is going to be okay, but it also demonstrates the partisan foolishness of elected officials who are banning all self-defense firearms from our National Forests, thus essentially putting the populace at risk of death from being mauled by a wild animal.[/quote]

Actually in most states carrying in a national forest is legal but not in a national park. Some states even allow hunting in a NF. I believe that guns are allowed in NF across the board BUT the individual states have the right to limit that. NPs on the other hand have flatly banned the carry of firearms.

However, as of sometime in late Feb next year those with carry permits will be allowed to carry in the Parks as well. Do note this ONLY applies to those with a valid carry permit.
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#48
#48
hndog609 said:
Was this just a site you're familiar with (looks like it might be pretty good) in an FYI kinda way or was this in some way connected to the XM8 thing? If so, I can't find the latter.

JP, if you happen to have the ability to have a dog, especially a large one then yeah, it's a real asset. The deterrent effect is so recognized it gives us things like this:

Barking Dog Alarm

Not to mention a large and loyal dog would rather die than let something hurt you.

Dog Saves Couple From Mountain Lion In Cleveland National Forest - cbs2.com

Had a malamute that even my friends and family were careful around. No "playfully" tackling me with Akila around. Friendly dog, but you didn't mess with "The Man".

Holy crap we've wandered off topic. Umm...my dog would never have voted for Obama and was all about defending home and hearth and conservative values. (that sorta keeps us on topic)
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*Coughs*

It is a place where I live..........

When they tell you they don't have any, ask them to direct you to the person who can find one for you.

*Coughs*

:hi:
 
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