Contract with America: 2012

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Rasputin_Vol

Rasputin_Vol

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1. Close our border and enforce existing immigration laws
2. Do away with the Federal Reserve
3. Aggresively cut foreign aid
4. Build more nukes, more refineries, more drilling, more coal
5. Term limits
6. Eliminate income tax on holiday/vacation/overtime pay and tips/gratuities
7. Allow people to opt out of Social Security
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
1. Close our border and enforce existing immigration laws
2. Do away with the Federal Reserve
3. Aggresively cut foreign aid
4. Build more nukes, more refineries, more drilling, more coal
5. Term limits
6. Eliminate income tax on holiday/vacation/overtime pay and tips/gratuities
7. Allow people to opt out of Social Security
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8. Eliminate public funding for the arts, PBS and NPR
9. add a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution
10. end most favored nation trading status for China
11. reduce corporate taxes below Ireland's rate
12. Move the United Nations to Alcatraz Island
 
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MG1968 said:
8. Eliminate public funding for the arts, PBS and NPR
9. add a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution
10. end most favored nation trading status for China
11. reduce corporate taxes below Ireland's rate
12. Move the United Nations to Alcatraz Island
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13. Fund the UN the same as other countries do.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
1. Close our border and enforce existing immigration laws
2. Do away with the Federal Reserve
3. Aggresively cut foreign aid
4. Build more nukes, more refineries, more drilling, more coal
5. Term limits
6. Eliminate income tax on holiday/vacation/overtime pay and tips/gratuities
7. Allow people to opt out of Social Security
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i'm guessing i'm in the dark on this one, can someone explain why this is an issue?
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
i'm guessing i'm in the dark on this one, can someone explain why this is an issue?
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Because members of Congress tend to become hung up on remaining in office and history indicates that entrenched 10 term congressmen and 4 term Senators tend to serve the interest of the public poorly.
 
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GAVol said:
Because members of Congress tend to become hung up on remaining in office and history indicates that entrenched 10 term congressmen and 4 term Senators tend to serve the interest of the public poorly.
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o ya i'm all for that, i thought you meant for the presidency
 
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I tend to agree with the principle of term limits, but not 100% sold on them. I don't like the idea of taking choice away from voters. I can't help but wonder about what if you do have that one person who isn't corrupted, and is truly the best choice for the job. The voters will lose that person with out ever being able to vote. That being said, I know that situation is probably few and far far between.
 
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droski said:
If you want to ensure we go into another great depression do #2.
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why are so many people hung up on the Federal Reserve? I know it's seen as some Illuminiti-type New World Order organization, but do the folks who call for it's elimination really have a better alternative?
 
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MG1968 said:
why are so many people hung up on the Federal Reserve? I know it's seen as some Illuminiti-type New World Order organization, but do the folks who call for it's elimination really have a better alternative?
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the fed is one of the primary reasons why the united states has been a superpower the last 80 years.
 
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MG1968 said:
why are so many people hung up on the Federal Reserve? I know it's seen as some Illuminiti-type New World Order organization, but do the folks who call for it's elimination really have a better alternative?
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he's an engineer. bear with him, but don't dare listen to him.
 
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ok, but why is the Federal Reserve such a bugaboo with some people?
 
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MG1968 said:
ok, but why is the Federal Reserve such a bugaboo with some people?
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I would guess it's keeping the rates too low for too long, then ratcheting them back up very quickly, coupled with the very quickly thrown together bailout plan.
 
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Where in the Constitution is there a provision for a Federal Reserve? And the Fed is essentially a collection of large banks (private entities) that essentially set rates and control the nation's money supply.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Where in the Constitution is there a provision for a Federal Reserve? And the Fed is essentially a collection of large banks (private entities) that essentially set rates and control the nation's money supply.
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why does it need a constitutional provision to exist? There's no provision for the FAA either, but clearly a need.

I'll assure you that it's no collection of large private entities, in name or in form. It might use large banks in its manipulation of the M1 and M2, but the Fed itself isn't private.
 
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MG1968 said:
why are so many people hung up on the Federal Reserve? I know it's seen as some Illuminiti-type New World Order organization, but do the folks who call for it's elimination really have a better alternative?
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Too many conspiracy books?

We agree on something btw. :)

Actually I am sure there's more.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Where in the Constitution is there a provision for a Federal Reserve? And the Fed is essentially a collection of large banks (private entities) that essentially set rates and control the nation's money supply.
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There is nothing in the Constitution that says a damn thing about term limits either, just saying.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
1. Close our border and enforce existing immigration laws
2. Do away with the Federal Reserve
3. Aggresively cut foreign aid
4. Build more nukes, more refineries, more drilling, more coal
5. Term limits
6. Eliminate income tax on holiday/vacation/overtime pay and tips/gratuities
7. Allow people to opt out of Social Security
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:good!:
 
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emainvol said:
For Congress, yes I am. If you would like to direct me to it, I would be more than happy to change my tune.
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Way to try and crawfish your way out of that trap you fell in...

But you original statement said...
"There is nothing in the Constitution that says a damn thing about term limits either..."

Obviously you were wrong.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Where in the Constitution is there a provision for a Federal Reserve? And the Fed is essentially a collection of large banks (private entities) that essentially set rates and control the nation's money supply.
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According to the Supreme Court its in Article 1, section 8, clause 18.

In McCulloch v. Maryland (1819) the Supreme Court voted 9-0 to uphold the Second Bank of the United States as constitutional. The Court argued with the doctrine of implied powers, stating that to be ‘necessary and proper’ the Bank needed only to be useful in helping the government meet its responsibilities in maintaining the public credit and regulating the money supply. Chief Justice Marshall wrote, “After the most deliberate consideration, it is the unanimous and decided opinion of this court that the act to incorporate the Bank of the United States is a law made in pursuance of the Constitution, and is part of the supreme law of the land.”

Having said all of that, whether or not you believe the Fed is constitutional or not depends on if you have a strict or loose interpretation of the Constitution.

FYI, Thomas Jefferson thought a central bank (like the Federal Reserve) was unconstitutional.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
1. Close our border and enforce existing immigration laws

I still want immigrants coming into the country, but legally, of cours. All in all, I would support something of this nature

2. Do away with the Federal Reserve

I'd rather just cut the budget down for it. I think a central bank is nessacary, but the states could just pick up the slack where you cut some of it.

3. Aggresively cut foreign aid

Again, needs to be around in some form or another, but cutting some of it wouldn't be a bad idea.

4. Build more nukes, more refineries, more drilling, more coal

I'd rather go with renewable, but I wouldn't be against drilling in places that aren't national parks and such. I'd like to see us do something like Brazil did, and have our cars fueled by sugarcane ethanol. Clean coal is something, that again, I wouldn't be against, but not neccarsarly for either.

5. Term limits

I assume you mean the Congressmen. If you do, I agree 100% with that.

6. Eliminate income tax on holiday/vacation/overtime pay and tips/gratuities

Again, 100% agreed

7. Allow people to opt out of Social Security

Sure. As long as it's an option to keep in, or go out, I'll go with you on this one.
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