Cooper showing on a draft board but wonder if this style not good for WNBA..

[winkles18]

 

[VolBall09]

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That is a ridiculous assement. To say there isn’t enough to go on is wild. And her minutes were not limited. She played 25+ in pretty much every game that mattered. Averaged 16 and 6 with 3 assists on 45% shooting.

That’s better than literally every 2 guard in this draft lol.

 

[Orange Maniac]

Cooper played plenty. People saying she played limited minutes are just lazy and not looking at the overall picture. I also don't get the comments that Kim's style doesn't fit with the WNBA. I disagree. I think her style of play, except for the quick substitutions, is exactly what the WNBA plays. They don't play a plodding, deliberate style in the W.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

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I posted this in the other forum and I was thinking the same thing. It’s going to be effective on the court but will coaches in the pros by into it. I am going they do. I know it will only be Ruby’s second year in the system but if she gets drafted will sorta be our first hint of how coaches view Kim’s system. Because let’s be honest Aubrey Griffin and Kayla Chen (i think that’s her name) got drafted because they played in uconn’s system.

 

[glv98]

Cooper played plenty. People saying she played limited minutes are just lazy and not looking at the overall picture. I also don't get the comments that Kim's style doesn't fit with the WNBA. I disagree. I think her style of play, except for the quick substitutions, is exactly what the WNBA plays. They don't play a plodding, deliberate style in the W.

Whether you call it plodding and deliberate or not, big centers are still big deals in the W. The Liberty won it all last year bc they have Jonquil Jones and the Lynx didn’t. It’s why Brittney Griner is still around and got new life w the Atlanta Dream. In fact, the Dreams new coach comes from college where he loved the running, three chunking style but said he’s changing to a more traditional style to suit Griner.

The W does love long versitile athletes like Rickea and Janiah Barker who can bring the ball up if necessary and initiate offense. Also, a couple of the new coaches,including Rickea’s, like to put up lots of threes.

On defense, pros would never play the trapping press all the time bc the ball handlers are too good and bc it’s too hard on legs. Not risking that. Most of all,lol, pros are absolutely NOT going to be subbed out every 2 mins.

 

[KTrain]

That is a ridiculous assement. To say there isn’t enough to go on is wild. And her minutes were not limited. She played 25+ in pretty much every game that mattered. Averaged 16 and 6 with 3 assists on 45% shooting.

That’s better than literally every 2 guard in this draft lol.

Yep, a lot of these assessments you can read, and you know it's what I call a drive by reporter.

 

[Orange007]

total garbage. CKC's style of play is closer to the W than boring halfcourt sets where the unathletic/slow players shine. those players aren't going to the W.

 

[glv98]

total garbage. CKC's style of play is closer to the W than boring halfcourt sets where the unathletic/slow players shine. those players aren't going to the W.

Do you watch the W? It just isn’t true that Kim’s style is close at all. They play half court offense but not slowly or unatcheletically. One doesn’t necessarily lead to the other. And they very rarely press and trap on D.

 

[Orange007]

Do you watch the W? It just isn’t true that Kim’s style is close at all. They play half court offense but not slowly or unatcheletically. One doesn’t necessarily lead to the other. And they very rarely press and trap on D.

of course i watch. i wouldn't have said that otherwise. i see very fast aggressive athletes running the floor when they can. stallions so to speak. is there halfcourt game? of course but to suggest we don't have a halfcourt game or sets to run just isn't the case.

 

[lvocd]

Good idea to keep putting this it out into the Webiverse that Tennessee isn’t a good place to go if you want to play in the W! Extra points if you can go to the social media accounts of each player in the portal and message them privately that they’d be wise to steer clear of Kim and the Lady Vols!

 

[glv98]

of course i watch. i wouldn't have said that otherwise. i see very fast aggressive athletes running the floor when they can. stallions so to speak. is there halfcourt game? of course but to suggest we don't have a halfcourt game or sets to run just isn't the case.

Agree to disagree. I think we lost games, and failed to win close ones exactly bc our halfcourt game and sets were lacking. They basically consisted of Ruby or Coop playing hero ball. That was discussed a lot around here late last season.

But I’m not actually hopeful that will be better next yr. I don’t think she cares for or much wants offensive sets. They interfere w the pure system of quantity of shoots and possessions over everything else.

Also, the addition of Barker provides another strong one on one player who can create so another hero option if we get stuck in the half court.

 

[glv98]

Good idea to keep putting this it out into the Webiverse that Tennessee isn’t a good place to go if you want to play in the W! Extra points if you can go to the social media accounts of each player in the portal and message them privately that they’d be wise to steer clear of Kim and the Lady Vols!

No one on a fan board or any social media has to tell the team around any player what the W does and doesn’t want. We have zero secrets to spill to agents, families, other representatives. They know. Coaches recruiting against the LVs know too, without our input.

Also, it’s not that playing this system necessarily hurts anyone who wants to play in the W. It’s simply not how they play, that’s all.

IMO the biggest red flag about playing this way for potential pros is danger to legs. But they know all about that too.

 

[lvocd]

I think you underestimate both the power of social media influence on kids these days, and also of the power of manifesting both good and bad things with what we think about and talk about regularly.

 

[glv98]

I think you underestimate both the power of social media influence on kids these days, and also of the power of manifesting both good and bad things with what we think about and talk about regularly.

Agree to disagree. I think you’re underestimating the degree of information and organization around big time recruits. It’s a big money business now. They don’t rely on us, believe me.

 

[lvocd]

Do you know a lot of young people from junior high through college age? I do, and I can tell you they care far more about how decisions they make look to people their own age than they do handlers and agents. If the rumor mill gets going and it begins to seem to them like liking something might get them laughed at or to not look cool, they’ll drop it like a hot potato and swear they never liked it.

 

[brittannica]

Do you know a lot of young people from junior high through college age? I do, and I can tell you they care far more about how decisions they make look to people their own age than they do handlers and agents. If the rumor mill gets going and it begins to seem to them like liking something might get them laughed at or to not look cool, they’ll drop it like a hot potato and swear they never liked it.

Hallmark of adolescent and young adult development is the desire for independence and prioritization of their peers approval.

 

[glv98]

Do you know a lot of young people from junior high through college age? I do, and I can tell you they care far more about how decisions they make look to people their own age than they do handlers and agents. If the rumor mill gets going and it begins to seem to them like liking something might get them laughed at or to not look cool, they’ll drop it like a hot potato and swear they never liked it.

Lots of peeps that age in my family.

Just had one go D1 to a P4 school in another sport. Nary a damn was given about anything on social media. There was way too much first hand reliable info to gaf about that. In our experience, there was a strong parental info network of folks who had gone thru the recruiting process and also had played for certain schools and coaches we were considering.

When you’re living the actual experience and visiting schools, you realize how crazy, lame and inaccurate social media is. Utterly useless.

 

[lvocd]

I think your family’s D1 athlete is more mature and wise than most kids that age, so I guess we’ll just have to disagree on this point.

 

[glv98]

I think your family’s D1 athlete is more mature and wise than most kids that age, so I guess we’ll just have to disagree on this point.

She is, but it’s a several years long, professional process involving lots of people she trusts. And it’s her dream so she fully participated every step of the way. Very little chance she’d go rogue under twitter influence just to piss us off.

It’s just different in the real world and easier to tell what’s real info and what’s bs

 

[BallsVolls1]

Whether you call it plodding and deliberate or not, big centers are still big deals in the W. The Liberty won it all last year bc they have Jonquil Jones and the Lynx didn’t. It’s why Brittney Griner is still around and got new life w the Atlanta Dream. In fact, the Dreams new coach comes from college where he loved the running, three chunking style but said he’s changing to a more traditional style to suit Griner.

The W does love long versitile athletes like Rickea and Janiah Barker who can bring the ball up if necessary and initiate offense. Also, a couple of the new coaches,including Rickea’s, like to put up lots of threes.

On defense, pros would never play the trapping press all the time bc the ball handlers are too good and bc it’s too hard on legs. Not risking that. Most of all,lol, pros are absolutely NOT going to be subbed out every 2 mins.

You’re just talking to talk! Or commenting to comment!

Cooper, along with other ladies under Caldwell will be drafted just like any other talented player in the country!

The WNBA is and has been doing a great job over the past few seasons of playing more positionless basketball.. there are not as many “back to the basket” bigs as there used to be.. many post are stepping out and shooting from outside including Griner..

I think any naysayers who’s entertaining the article are ridiculous! The wnba has always respected The Lady Vols brand and will continue!

Coach Caldwell will continue to show that there can be success with her system… and her players, just like others, will be awarded for it!

 

[glv98]

You’re just talking to talk! Or commenting to comment!

Cooper, along with other ladies under Caldwell will be drafted just like any other talented player in the country!

The WNBA is and has been doing a great job over the past few seasons of playing more positionless basketball.. there are not as many “back to the basket” bigs as there used to be.. many post are stepping out and shooting from outside including Griner..

I think any naysayers who’s entertaining the article are ridiculous! The wnba has always respected The Lady Vols brand and will continue!

Coach Caldwell will continue to show that there can be success with her system… and her players, just like others, will be awarded for it!

No one ever said or suggested players like Cooper wouldn't be drafted. Talent is talent. The article actually concludes Coop is an exciting prospect.

And for sure everyone wants the unicorn player like Malonga, the big who can do it all (and truthfully should have been the #1 pick).. But size in the post is still very much a thing in pro leagues. The new Atlanta coach just gave up his high octane college system and paid big bucks for two free agent bigs, Griner and Briona Jones.

I do think if Jewel had played in a more traditional system she might have had a chance for at least a training camp contract.. Its not for everyone, no system is.

 

[glv98]

. Because let’s be honest Aubrey Griffin and Kayla Chen (i think that’s her name) got drafted because they played in uconn’s system.

Griffen and Chen mostly got drafted bc the draft was very, very weak. But playing at UuConn sure didn't hurt.

Either way, neither will make a roster.

 

[mudcat1973]

This coming from someone who don't watch the WNBA.
But I just looked
Jewel Spear wasn't drafted in the WNBA draft.
I looked at all Three rounds.
Can university help player improve their draft stock.
Has more weight than social media.
Since Jewel Spear came to Tennessee with WNBA Dreams.
Can system improve players like Jewel Spear enough to get drafted in the WNBA draft.

Is what recuits like Jewel Spear will pay attention to.
Players like Cooper would get draft if they played for a lot different schools.

Lots of peeps that age in my family.

Just had one go D1 to a P4 school in another sport. Nary a damn was given about anything on social media. There was way too much first hand reliable info to gaf about that. In our experience, there was a strong parental info network of folks who had gone thru the recruiting process and also had played for certain schools and coaches we were considering.

When you’re living the actual experience and visiting schools, you realize how crazy, lame and inaccurate social media is. Utterly useless.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I do think if Jewel had played in a more traditional system she might have had a chance for at least a training camp contract.. Its not for everyone, no system is.

…you just can’t help yourself.

 

[Orange007]

This coming from someone who don't watch the WNBA.
But I just looked
Jewel Spear wasn't drafted in the WNBA draft.
I looked at all Three rounds.
Can university help player improve their draft stock.
Has more weight than social media.
Since Jewel Spear came to Tennessee with WNBA Dreams.
Can system improve players like Jewel Spear enough to get drafted in the WNBA draft.

Is what recuits like Jewel Spear will pay attention to.
Players like Cooper would get draft if they played for a lot different schools.

I love Jewel but comparing her draft prospects to Cooper's is like apples and oranges. Players know this part too. Bottom line- this paragraph about Cooper was written as a jab to CKC and some fans on here aren't seeing it. It's like something Adams would write in Knox news. Thankfully, recruits, parents, and WNBA teams know better.