Corey Miller

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NashVOL93 said:
Alright, this is just ridiculous. He was a highly rated recruit out of South Carolina (almost identical to D. Hendrix in rating) who had to go through three different DCs, three different position coaches, and three head coaches in his career. There's no question he would have been NFL bound had it not been for his development being stunted by coaching turnover. Yet despite all that, he got his degree, had a solid if not spectacular career, and gave his all for Tennessee. And he broke Reggie White's record.

Let me know when you break any of Reggie White's records.
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No question he was NFL bound? Seriously? At 265-275 he would be destroyed in the NFL at DT. And at DE, he would not have the strength to play the 320+ pound OTs in the NFL.

He played out there on the Hill but he is NOT someone who was ever destined for the NFL. Never was.
 
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1982Alum said:
No question he was NFL bound? Seriously? At 265-275 he would be destroyed in the NFL at DT. And at DE, he would not have the strength to play the 320+ pound OTs in the NFL.

He played out there on the Hill but he is NOT someone who was ever destined for the NFL. Never was.
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I'm not even sure where to begin with all this, but he was 227lbs coming out of HS. He was never supposed to play tackle, and I'm not sure why you thought he was. Secondly, he's listed at 265lbs per the school website. That's plenty of size for the WDE position, and certainly enough for the NFL, where the average DE weight is 260-275.

Furthermore, if you don't think having three different coaches in 4 years stunted his development, you don't know much about football. This "he was never destined for the league" business is absolutely nuts. There's no way you can possibly make a generalization like that. He had plenty of talent that was never properly developed. But there's no question he had the potential to make it to the league.

I'll just leave this here. No. 5 WDE, Army All-American Top 75 player in the country. 5.9 4*. 4.6 40.

https://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Corey-Miller-82809
 
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NashVOL93 said:
I'm not even sure where to begin with all this, but he was 227lbs coming out of HS. He was never supposed to play tackle, and I'm not sure why you thought he was. Secondly, he's listed at 265lbs per the school website. That's plenty of size for the WDE position, and certainly enough for the NFL, where the average DE weight is 260-275.

Furthermore, if you don't think having three different coaches in 4 years stunted his development, you don't know much about football. This "he was never destined for the league" business is absolutely nuts. There's no way you can possibly make a generalization like that. He had plenty of talent that was never properly developed. But there's no question he had the potential to make it to the league.

I'll just leave this here. No. 5 WDE, Army All-American Top 75 player in the country. 5.9 4*. 4.6 40.

https://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Corey-Miller-82809
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Were you drunk during his entire college career? He simply is not good at the game of football. The NFL doesn't care what guys did in HS and neither should you.
 
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Bms4880 said:
"Not good at the game of football"??

How many of Reggie White's records have you broken?
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Yeah you're right, he's awesome. The NFL just doesn't like good football players apparently.

If mean if you can get 4 sacks against Kentucky, its perfectly reasonable to assume you can play against the Patriots. The dude had a whoping 4 sacks in his career before that game and Kentucky has been worse than Western Kentucky.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here or something. Have our expectations really gotten this low? He was mediocre at best and a useless pass rusher at worst.
 
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The Big Dirty said:
Yeah you're right, he's awesome. The NFL just doesn't like good football players apparently.

If mean if you can get 4 sacks against Kentucky, its perfectly reasonable to assume you can play against the Patriots. The dude had a whoping 4 sacks in his career before that game and Kentucky has been worse than Western Kentucky.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here or something. Have our expectations really gotten this low? He was mediocre at best and a useless pass rusher at worst.
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People aren't ganging up on you because you're wrong. They're ganging up on you because you're being an ass about it and trashing a kid who played hard and stuck it out at UT.

No, he wasn't one of the better DL we've had over the past few years, but calling him useless is unnecessary.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
People aren't ganging up on you because you're wrong. They're ganging up on you because you're being an ass about it and trashing a kid who played hard and stuck it out at UT.

No, he wasn't one of the better DL we've had over the past few years, but calling him useless is unnecessary.
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"useless pass rusher"

Have our reading comprehension skills diminished as well?
 
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The Big Dirty said:
"useless pass rusher"

Have our reading comprehension skills diminished as well?
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That's a useless distinction to make.


あなたはとてもばか、読めない子供です。
 
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The Big Dirty said:
Were you drunk during his entire college career? He simply is not good at the game of football. The NFL doesn't care what guys did in HS and neither should you.
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1. Considering his career also happened to coincide largely with Derek Dooley's career, yes, I was drunk. You weren't?
2. You're wrong, and not only are you wrong, you're being an ass about it.
3. If you can't plainly see what the lack of development did to his pro prospects, then this conversation isn't going anywhere.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
1. Considering his career also happened to coincide largely with Derek Dooley's career, yes, I was drunk. You weren't?
2. You're wrong, and not only are you wrong, you're being an ass about it.
3. If you can't plainly see what the lack of development did to his pro prospects, then this conversation isn't going anywhere.
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Just to be clear, you are saying he was a good football player and the NFL should draft him because he was coached poorly by Derek Dooley?

It doesn't matter why he isn't any good, he isn't any good.

Also if the poster above cannot understand the difference between calling someone useless and saying he is a useless pass rusher, then he needs to go back to elementary school.
 
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The Big Dirty said:
Also if the poster above cannot understand the difference between calling someone useless and saying he is a useless pass rusher, then he needs to go back to elementary school.
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I understand the difference. I just think that both are equally douchey, inflammatory, and unnecessary.

Splitting hairs over the difference is even douchier IMO.

"I never said you were useless; I just said you were useless at that thing you devoted years of your life to and your teammates and fans depended on you to do. It's completely different. " That and insults about my reading comprehension basically comprise your argument.

It's a bad argument and you should feel bad.
 
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The Big Dirty said:
Just to be clear, you are saying he was a good football player and the NFL should draft him because he was coached poorly by Derek Dooley?

It doesn't matter why he isn't any good, he isn't any good.

Also if the poster above cannot understand the difference between calling someone useless and saying he is a useless pass rusher, then he needs to go back to elementary school.
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You're saying he was/is a bad football player. That simply isn't true. I'm saying he was an ultimately average football player that got screwed by his circumstances but had pro potential.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
You're saying he was/is a bad football player. That simply isn't true. I'm saying he was an ultimately average football player that got screwed by his circumstances but had pro potential.
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There is evidence of him being a poor football player, there is zero evidence of him being a good football player. Plenty of great football players have played for bad coaches, being an athlete doesn't make you a football player.

I'm not personally hating on the kid but I'm also not going to pretend he is a good football player simply because he played for a bad coach and was a good athlete in high school.
 
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The Big Dirty said:
There is evidence of him being a poor football player, there is zero evidence of him being a good football player. Plenty of great football players have played for bad coaches, being an athlete doesn't make you a football player.

I'm not personally hating on the kid but I'm also not going to pretend he is a good football player simply because he played for a bad coach and was a good athlete in high school.
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Let's see it.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
1. Considering his career also happened to coincide largely with Derek Dooley's career, yes, I was drunk. You weren't?
2. You're wrong, and not only are you wrong, you're being an ass about it.
3. If you can't plainly see what the lack of development did to his pro prospects, then this conversation isn't going anywhere.
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What do you suggest? Sympathy draft?
 
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Roustabout said:
What do you suggest? Sympathy draft?
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No, smart guy. Read. I'm saying that despite his lack of adequate development in college and relatively pedestrian statistics due to said inadequate development, he should have been able to land a FA deal based simply on his physical talent and potential alone. You know, like about 10 of our other guys did.
 
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I stand on what I posted earlier. This discussion shows the bias many have with many of UT's players. Fact is few players today are NFL caliber. That number is getting less than in years past and that is because we fell so far down in our recruiting. Lesser players means lesser NFL talent, and generally less wins each year. Miller is the classic example here. Now maybe Butch will step up recruiting and get us back to where we were 15-20 years ago. One class is too soon to tell. And the early commits for 2015 don't excite me much yet.
 
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