Cornerbacks Jones, Williams back at practice for Vols

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sjt18 said:
I'd rather have Saulsberry if I had a choice. That guy was playing great.
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In a weird way, it could work out. It's a huge loss in the short term to take out Saulsberry/Couch out of the rotation.

We *should* get Saulsberry back by the USC game.

Additionally, this is forcing Carr/O'Brien to take reps as they, combined with Saulsberry, will likely be our primary DTs in rotation with 2014 class additions providing depth.

This is giving the coaches more gamefilm on Carr/O'Brien to study and work with them on instead of just seeing what they do in the Spring/Fall.

With McCullers/Hood/Saulsberry/Couch all rotating, those guys wouldn't see much time. We would have lost 3 of those guys after this year anyway.
 
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DC Vol said:
I believe we are set at corners and nickel this year with Brewer.

That is what you said. To start, Brewer is an Outside Linebacker, not CB or nickel.

Sutton has played extremely well to this point. Especially considering he's a True Freshman. At this point, I'd have to assume Sutton will be a 3-year starter. A guy with his height/weight/speed will not play 4 years pending he doesn't get injured and he develops at this point instead of stalling.

Swafford will be recruited over and buried on the depth chart. He doesn't have the size/speed coaches are looking for. Look at who just got reactivated. Williams/Jones are both taller and faster. Coleman will take the Nickel spot. We have a stable of tall (5'11-6'1) CBs with legit speed coming in this class.

He'll get a scholarship but the writing is on the wall. A 4.6 will not cut it with UT's current and future schedule. This isn't an indictment of the kid and I'll give him major props for waling on so he could help out this year. But a lack of speed is a lack of speed.
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Convert Swafford to LB? BTW - I saw AC/DC warm up for Kiss in 1978. Great show. Ungodly loud - ears rang for 2 days. Had to strain to hear my 7th grade teacher.
 
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utvols74 said:
Convert Swafford to LB? BTW - I saw AC/DC warm up for Kiss in 1978. Great show. Ungodly loud - ears rang for 2 days. Had to strain to hear my 7th grade teacher.
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5'11 guy with his lack of speed will be buried considering there are a flock of guys that are taller (6'2/6'3/6'4) bigger (230, 240 as FR) and faster coming in for the 2014 class.

I get you guys like him as he's a local (tri cities) guy with a tremendous heart (turned down grey shirt scholly to walk-on and help out this year) but he was grey shirted for a reason. He's not got decent size (5'11/170) but there are guys who are bigger/faster/strong coming in at CB/S/LB.

Florida, Bama, Georgia, etc don't play 4.6/4.7 guys at DB. There is a reason. I hate it for that kid, but there is a reason. You can't coach speed.

There is a size/speed prototype for a reason. There will be exceptions, sure, but for every exception... there are 999 guys with heart that are the norm.
 
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Who knows, though.

Maybe this kid spends some good time in UT's S&C program and puts on some mass and speed/agility. He definitely has moxy and a want-to. Could be an Ellix Wilson type guy. Well, Ellix had 4.4 speed coming out of HS though.

I'm pulling for him. UT needs guys like that.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Did you not see Randolph's horrible angle?
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When I saw it the 1st time I thought it was one of the other safeties, then was surprised to see it was Randolph in the replay.

I like Randolph, but am amazed that some folks are calling for him to declare for the draft after this season? Right now he's a solid player on a weak SEC defense - certainly not anything that would excite the NFL.
 
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DC Vol said:
Sutton has played extremely well to this point. A guy with his height/weight/speed will not play 4 years pending he doesn't get injured and he develops at this point instead of stalling.
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Another pipe dream.

I like Sutton but he is not an elite CB tallent. He will only play 3 years at UT if he fails out. Reminds me of the Knoxville area DB 2 years back that declared and went undrafted.
 
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walkenvol said:
Another pipe dream.

I like Sutton but he is not an elite CB tallent. He will only play 3 years at UT if he fails out. Reminds me of the Knoxville area DB 2 years back that declared and went undrafted.
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You serious?

He is the NFL prototype in size/speed. 6'1 180 as a FR... will likely be ~195 as a JR. Runs a 4.45 and could shave that down with 3 years in a high-end S&C/nutrition program.

I'll ask you something. If Sutton was a 5* talent with those measurables and has played the exact same way... would you be saying the same thing?

No, you wouldn't be.

The NFL is a pass first league and there is a huge money pot for coverage CBs with his height/speed that can also provide run support.

Again, I did say that with the assumption that Sutton continues to improve, doesn't get apathetic and doesn't sustain an injury.
 
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DC Vol said:
I believe we are set at corners and nickel this year with Brewer.

That is what you said. To start, Brewer is an Outside Linebacker, not CB or nickel.

Sutton has played extremely well to this point. Especially considering he's a True Freshman. At this point, I'd have to assume Sutton will be a 3-year starter. A guy with his height/weight/speed will not play 4 years pending he doesn't get injured and he develops at this point instead of stalling.

Swafford will be recruited over and buried on the depth chart. He doesn't have the size/speed coaches are looking for. Look at who just got reactivated. Williams/Jones are both taller and faster. Coleman will take the Nickel spot. We have a stable of tall (5'11-6'1) CBs with legit speed coming in this class.

He'll get a scholarship but the writing is on the wall. A 4.6 will not cut it with UT's current and future schedule. This isn't an indictment of the kid and I'll give him major props for waling on so he could help out this year. But a lack of speed is a lack of speed.
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Gotcha chief. I just implied Brewer at nickel because we did run some 4-3 sets against a 3 wideout set vs Florida where Brewer covered the slot receiver.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Gotcha chief. I just implied Brewer at nickel because we did run some 4-3 sets against a 3 wideout set vs Florida where Brewer covered the slot receiver.
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I'm tracking. Yeah, if the slot was Jordan Reed, Brewer would cover him and IIRC Sapp would normally cover the RB in a 4-3.
 
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Sutton is a bad ass but needs some help out there. glad to see we've got some guys coming back. Jones had a lot of hype in the off season.
 
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walkenvol said:
Another pipe dream.

I like Sutton but he is not an elite CB tallent. He will only play 3 years at UT if he fails out. Reminds me of the Knoxville area DB 2 years back that declared and went undrafted.
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Sutton is/has been a baller. Best looking CB at UT in a while.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Swafford wasn't the reason that play resulted in a TD. Did you not see Randolph's horrible angle? I don't know if he thought Oregon made him faster or what. That was worse than watching ND's attack angles vs Bama in January.
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They both stunk on the play... first Swafford, then Randolph.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Don't see how? We have thrown 2 freshmen DB's into the fire and they have responded very well. They really haven't made any bad plays. Most of our breakdowns in the secondary so far has been our upperclassmen. Sutton and Swofford will be 4 year starters. You don't have to believe me and I don't you. However, Butch is very high on the 2 and that is all that is needed.
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What game did you watch last Saturday?
 
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Stop the bickering. Obviously, Swafford has worked his tail off to even be on the field. Think about being a walk-on in a division 1 program, not only that but an SEC program. Give him credit. His work ethic has to be tremendous. Yeah, he's made mistakes, but he has also done some good things for us.

Moving on, can someone tell me how good Williams is? I know he must be fast due to his track background, but how well did he perform in fall camp?
 
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DC Vol said:
You serious?
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Yes

DC Vol said:
I'll ask you something. If Sutton was a 5* talent with those measurables and has played the exact same way... would you be saying the same thing?
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Yes

This perception that guys are so tallented they'll be drafted after 3 years is misguided.

Here's some numbers to support my position with the first number being those drafted and the second number being those who declared;

2013: 50/73 (68.5 percent)

2012: 44/65 (67.7 percent)

2011: 43/56 (76.8 percent)

2010: 46/53 (86.8 percent)

2009: 41/46 (89.1 percent)

There are 124 D1 football programs plus all the other divisions from which to draw on average 59 players who will declare early for the draft, so about 1 player for every 2 programs or each program having 1 early departure every 2 years. Notice the trend also where more and more are declaring and not being drafted.

If you haven't noticed, TN has been in a bit of a slump over the past 6 years or so which leads one to think the tallent level of their players has probably been lower also.

I like Sutton. I hope he continues to develope and has an injury free 4 years at TN and afterwards maybe gets a shot at the NFL. But, he's not as tallented as Vernon Hargraves who you saw last Saturday. Realisticly, Sutton would have to be one of the top 2 or 3 cornerbacks in the 2013 class to consider coming out early. He's not EB.

Just being realistic - he's getting off to a solid start, but he's not Dion Sanders out there.
 
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I'm glad these guys are back but one thing worrys me. Jones tore a calf muscle Aug 10 and it is a 5 to 6 month rehab injury and he's coming back in 7 weeks. I hope the doctors know what they are doing releasing him and his leg is indeed ready!

GBO!!
 
#44
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walkenvol said:
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Yes

This perception that guys are so tallented they'll be drafted after 3 years is misguided.

Here's some numbers to support my position with the first number being those drafted and the second number being those who declared;

2013: 50/73 (68.5 percent)

2012: 44/65 (67.7 percent)

2011: 43/56 (76.8 percent)

2010: 46/53 (86.8 percent)

2009: 41/46 (89.1 percent)

There are 124 D1 football programs plus all the other divisions from which to draw on average 59 players who will declare early for the draft, so about 1 player for every 2 programs or each program having 1 early departure every 2 years. Notice the trend also where more and more are declaring and not being drafted.

If you haven't noticed, TN has been in a bit of a slump over the past 6 years or so which leads one to think the tallent level of their players has probably been lower also.

I like Sutton. I hope he continues to develope and has an injury free 4 years at TN and afterwards maybe gets a shot at the NFL. But, he's not as tallented as Vernon Hargraves who you saw last Saturday. Realisticly, Sutton would have to be one of the top 2 or 3 cornerbacks in the 2013 class to consider coming out early. He's not EB.

Just being realistic - he's getting off to a solid start, but he's not Dion Sanders out there.
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Deion wasn't the Deion we knew his freshmen year.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
I'm glad these guys are back but one thing worrys me. Jones tore a calf muscle Aug 10 and it is a 5 to 6 month rehab injury and he's coming back in 7 weeks. I hope the doctors know what they are doing releasing him and his leg is indeed ready!

GBO!!
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Where did you read he tore his calf muscle? Only thing I have seen is he had a blood circulatory issue in his lower leg. Torn calf muscle is a whole other monster!
 
#47
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walkenvol said:
Yes



Yes

This perception that guys are so tallented they'll be drafted after 3 years is misguided.

Here's some numbers to support my position with the first number being those drafted and the second number being those who declared;

2013: 50/73 (68.5 percent)

2012: 44/65 (67.7 percent)

2011: 43/56 (76.8 percent)

2010: 46/53 (86.8 percent)

2009: 41/46 (89.1 percent)

There are 124 D1 football programs plus all the other divisions from which to draw on average 59 players who will declare early for the draft, so about 1 player for every 2 programs or each program having 1 early departure every 2 years. Notice the trend also where more and more are declaring and not being drafted.

If you haven't noticed, TN has been in a bit of a slump over the past 6 years or so which leads one to think the tallent level of their players has probably been lower also.

I like Sutton. I hope he continues to develope and has an injury free 4 years at TN and afterwards maybe gets a shot at the NFL. But, he's not as tallented as Vernon Hargraves who you saw last Saturday. Realisticly, Sutton would have to be one of the top 2 or 3 cornerbacks in the 2013 class to consider coming out early. He's not EB.

Just being realistic - he's getting off to a solid start, but he's not Dion Sanders out there.
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One thing you're missing:

He's ideal height/weight/speed for a CB. He has been playing lights out.

If he progresses (i.e. doesn't regress, doesn't get injured, etc) he will have enormous value.

He isn't a 4.5 5'9" CB playing well as a JR. He's a 4.45 6'1 CB playing well as a true FR.

I'm not saying he will declare as a JR after 4 games but his progress so far is very impressive. If he continues, he will be a fool to come back. Tall, fast CBs in the NFL have a huge pricetag.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
I'm glad these guys are back but one thing worrys me. Jones tore a calf muscle Aug 10 and it is a 5 to 6 month rehab injury and he's coming back in 7 weeks. I hope the doctors know what they are doing releasing him and his leg is indeed ready!

GBO!!
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Unless I missed that diagnosis, Jones did not tear a calf muscle. He had circulation issues which caused swelling on both calves.
 
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FBtime said:
Unless I missed that diagnosis, Jones did not tear a calf muscle. He had circulation issues which caused swelling on both calves.
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He had a tear.

Team doctors eventually determined there was no clot, and the tear was the extent of the damage to his calf. Doctors told Jones it would take at least six months to come back from his injury, which would likely make him miss the entire season. Instead, it took seven weeks.
Still, it took a lot of rehab — stretching, underwater treadmill, swimming — for Jones to return to the field.
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From this article: An incredible journey: Former Carver standout Riyahd Jones travels long road to achieve SEC dream | Carver | Columbus Ledger Enquirer

Recovery times are getting shorter and shorter due to quality surgery and rehabilitation methods. UT has 1st class facilities and Jones' short recovery is very likely benefiting from that.
 
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