Corporate Taxation and Easy Marks

#26
#26
utgibbs said:
Yes, the US is a "worker's paradise:"

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yeah, an image of a bunch of crybaby Wisconsin government workers is a great way to reinforce your point

I'll also bet you a year's salary that the people in that photo would much rather be in the US protesting against their government than in Venezuela, Zimbabwe or your favorite land of milk and honey, Cuba.
 
#27
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MG1968 said:
yeah, an image of a bunch of crybaby University of Wisconsin students government workers is a great way to reinforce your point

I'll also bet you a year's salary that the people in that photo would much rather be in the US protesting against their government than in Venezuela, Zimbabwe or your favorite land of milk and honey, Cuba.
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fyp
 
#28
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volinbham said:
absurd

at least your track record is consistency
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Are you getting in first?

Because it is absolutely absurd to disagree with the notion that corporations are legal persons.

As for track records - well, a few on here have worn a track to the back of the woodshed where the beatings commence. :)
 
#29
#29
nbakerld said:
Why is that ridiculous? A corporation is simply an entity made up of people. When you are taxing a corporation you are actually taxing people. Why should a group of people have less rights than an individual? Calling it "corporate taxes" takes the humanity out of it. If we call it what it is, "taxing people" it changes things.
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Did someone forget to unplug you from the Matrix?

Sorry, I realize you aren't being serious now. My bad. You have a knack for really getting me sometimes.
 
#32
#32
utgibbs said:
Did someone forget to unplug you from the Matrix?

Sorry, I realize you aren't being serious now. My bad. You have a knack for really getting me sometimes.
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I know you are but what am I?

I guess this will no longer be an intellectual discussion.
 
#33
#33
MG1968 said:
crybabies are still crybabies, whether they're government workers, UW students, or everyday citizens
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Not to mention nobody should care when those whiney crybabies enjoy the top 1% of incomes in the world (astoundingly, $50K is all it takes).

Teachers Union rally cries should go like this: "Being part of the richest 1% of the world is not enough. Hold the taxpayer hostage for more!"

Doesn't really rhyme but it could catch on.
 
#35
#35
utgibbs said:
When I read about the tax dodge of fictitious "people" - I almost warm to the Fair Tax (sic) regressive tax code.
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Progressive income taxes in a pure form do not work except to enslave and impoverish a nation. Add in the cronyism that big gov't inevitably yields... you get a code that is "regressive" as in burdening to the poor and middle class while retaining the destructiveness of the progressive income tax generally.

To the reasonable, thinking man who truly spent time considering these big ideals... this should prove without question that Progressivism and Keynesianism do not work in the real world... They only work in theoretical models constructed by people who have never even lived in the real world.
 
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nbakerld said:
I know you are but what am I?

I guess this will no longer be an intellectual discussion.
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You mean in response to your post where a "group of people" brought together into bureaucratic organization is actually just like an individual?

You mean that piece of intellectual insight? :crazy:

Now, I think you really are being serious!
 
#39
#39
nbakerld said:
Not to mention nobody should care when those whiney crybabies enjoy the top 1% of incomes in the world (astoundingly, $50K is all it takes).

Teachers Union rally cries should go like this: "Being part of the richest 1% of the world is not enough. Hold the taxpayer hostage for more!"

Doesn't really rhyme but it could catch on.
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If you ever get unplugged from the Matrix, I fear, like Cypher, you will want to go back in. This is regurgitation of the worst of the bourgeois mind.

You know, unions are a "group of people" too.....

Game, Set, and Match. :eek:lol:

Boom!
 
#40
#40
sjt18 said:
Progressive income taxes in a pure form do not work except to enslave and impoverish a nation.

That's crazy talk, and Adam Smith disagrees.

Add in the cronyism that big gov't inevitably yields... you get a code that is "regressive" as in burdening to the poor and middle class while retaining the destructiveness of the progressive income tax generally.

Talking the right talk, but you've mistaken the knife for the assassin.

To the reasonable, thinking man who truly spent time considering these big ideals... this should prove without question that Progressivism and Keynesianism do not work in the real world... They only work in theoretical models constructed by people who have never even lived in the real world.
Again, way off base. Keynesianism did work, does work (for a bourgeois economy). You lament a theoreticians, but do accept that monetarist policy from the Chicago School has not only had to be implemented at the barrel of a gun under fascist dictatorships, but it failed comprehensively everywhere without exception. In fact, economies recovering from Chicago School theories often describe it as a return to "pragmatism."
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You've got the right lingo, sjt, but as so often happens, you've been bamboozled by the Man, and you mistake the knife for the actual assassin.
 
#41
#41
Could care less what Adam Smith says concerning progressive income taxes... they punish the productive and reward the unproductive. That is the exact opposite of what helps a society to include the poor.

If you have an assassin... you cannot avoid having the assassin around... the ONLY solution is to deny him a knife.

Keynes does not work. It is laughable that you attempted to contrast fascism's economic policies with those of Keynesians considering their remarkable similarity. One might be considered more benign but both operate from the premise of central planning. Both operate within a framework of "private ownership" but central planning and control. Both even profess that centralization of power in the hands of a few wise elites is necessary to protect the nation's proud citizenry. In their purest form... these schemes are unrealistic and unjust. In their practical form, the central planners use their considerable power to reward their political supporters and to destroy their opponents. Witness the Obamacare exemptions, GM bail out, WS bail out, Fannie/Freddie scam and bail out,...
 
#42
#42
Gibbs, can you cite exactly where Adam Smith states that he is in favor of a progressive income tax?

A progressive tax is a tax by which the tax rate increases as the taxable base amount increases.
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The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.

--Adam Smith
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In proportion to their abilities does not infer a progressive tax structure; on the contrary, it means, without the aid of any further clarification and/or qualification from Smith, that everyone pays the same rate (proportion).
 
#44
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therealUT said:
Gibbs, can you cite exactly where Adam Smith states that he is in favor of a progressive income tax?





In proportion to their abilities does not infer a progressive tax structure; on the contrary, it means, without the aid of any further clarification and/or qualification from Smith, that everyone pays the same rate (proportion).
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We've been through this before with Gibbs vis a vis Adam Smith. He completely ignores virtually all of AS to grasp a notion that he and Gibbs were in total agreement on taxes.

He's done this with K. Arrow and in this thread taken a court ruling to conclude that corporations have all the rights an privileges of people and more.

Participate at your own risk.
 
#45
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nbakerld said:
Not to mention nobody should care when those whiney crybabies enjoy the top 1% of incomes in the world (astoundingly, $50K is all it takes).

Teachers Union rally cries should go like this: "Being part of the richest 1% of the world is not enough. Hold the taxpayer hostage for more!"

Doesn't really rhyme but it could catch on.
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Droski has some strong opinions about factoring in cost of living into defining what is "rich". I'm sure he could tell you all about it.
 
#46
#46
utgibbs said:
Are you getting in first?

Because it is absolutely absurd to disagree with the notion that corporations are legal persons.

As for track records - well, a few on here have worn a track to the back of the woodshed where the beatings commence. :)
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Do you even read what you write? You said corporations have all the rights and privileges of people and more. This is easily debunked yet you continue to use this tired old commentary.
 
#47
#47
volinbham said:
We've been through this before with Gibbs vis a vis Adam Smith. He completely ignores virtually all of AS to grasp a notion that he and Gibbs were in total agreement on taxes.

He's done this with K. Arrow and in this thread taken a court ruling to conclude that corporations have all the rights an privileges of people and more.

Participate at your own risk.
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Seconded. The convoluted crap he'll go through Towne it seem as if he sees eye to eye with someone educated enough to be having the conversation is astounding. No longer worth the effort.
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#48
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therealUT said:
Gibbs, can you cite exactly where Adam Smith states that he is in favor of a progressive income tax?





In proportion to their abilities does not infer a progressive tax structure; on the contrary, it means, without the aid of any further clarification and/or qualification from Smith, that everyone pays the same rate (proportion).
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Done many times. Smith clarified this throughout his writings to firmly mean progressive taxation as we understand it.

This quote is often latched onto by propagandists, and even here they are abusing the meaning.
 
#49
#49
volinbham said:
Do you even read what you write? You said corporations have all the rights and privileges of people and more. This is easily debunked yet you continue to use this tired old commentary.
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How has it been debunked? It can't be debunked. It is the law of the land with thousands of cases and more than a few Supreme Court rulings as part of the mountain of evidence proving me Right as Rain.

Moreover, when was the last time you could claim you live in the Dutch Antilles while you are parked in a flat on Cumberland Avenue? When was the last time you lived 110 years?

More rights and privileges.
 
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