Could another coach...

#27
#27
So you think that a half way decent coach would play the same depth we are?...No way...I am sorry but these kids never have a decent chance to get in any sort of rhythm swapping in 4 at a time and McBee would not play unless of foul trouble or injury...YOU HAVE TO WIN AT HOME!...That is something that I just do not get...We can go to Pitt, Nova, and other top teams and play 100 times better than we do at home...They play with urgency on the road and I do not care what you say we are a better team than over 1/2 half the teams we lost to at home and that comes down to coaching...Last year when we had players in trouble this team came together and this year when Pearl has his problems they just did not do that...You can say that there is no leader on this team but we have not had a leader in quite some time...No more excuses...I am not saying it is all Pearl but I just think his style of play and use of depth is killing us IMO!
 
#30
#30
calban said:
Not sure any coach could make up for the loss of scoring production by McBee and Tatum this year.
Even when we've held teams to less than 60 points we've lost because no one has stepped up.
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when has Skylar McBee ever been productive? hitting a couple of threes does not qualify you as being productive. Tatum not playing well has hurt us tremendously. McBee is a none factor.
 
#31
#31
Yes, absolutely. Not a doubt in my mind that another coach could have gotten more out of this team.

And I'm a Pearl fan, as far as basketball is concerned.
 
#32
#32
the next question is what other coach would have Mcmiss on the floor period ?
I seen a tweet last night from Wes where he was asked how come Mcrae wasnt on the floor and his answer was he couldnt guard.
Could some one please tell me who can guard on the team besides MG and JB.
I cant think of one thing that Mcmiss can do decent period,
 
#33
#33
StepCross said:
Yes, absolutely. Not a doubt in my mind that another coach could have gotten more out of this team.

And I'm a Pearl fan, as far as basketball is concerned.
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Excellent post. I have no problem with those that support Pearl; the problem comes when they can't face reality. You've shown that you obviously can.
 
#34
#34
G0V0LS33 said:
get more out of this team and to be honest the last few teams we have had?...I for one think that we would not go near as deep on the bench and another coach no matter who would play specific players a lot more than they do now...Just want to know what Volnation's opinion might be about how the team would be with a new staff in place.
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Dumbazz! The last few teams,you mean like last years squad? The first elite eight team in Tenn history or the year before thats squad that became the first team in TENN history to climb to #1 in the rankings? Six NCAA tourneys in a row!!!
 
#36
#36
LawVol13 said:
Excellent post. I have no problem with those that support Pearl; the problem comes when they can't face reality. You've shown that you obviously can.
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Bwahahahahaha good one Law! :post-4-1090547912:

And even funnier that you claim to be reasonable!!!

Great zingers. Kudos.
 
#37
#37
StepCross said:
Yes, absolutely. Not a doubt in my mind that another coach could have gotten more out of this team.

And I'm a Pearl fan, as far as basketball is concerned.
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Hate to admit it, but I believe you're right. At the very least, a different coach could create a sensible rotation system haha.
 
#38
#38
Knowing that this may be his last season on the hill probably contributed to his coaching or lack thereof this season.
 
#39
#39
tnvols72 said:
the next question is what other coach would have Mcmiss on the floor period ?
I seen a tweet last night from Wes where he was asked how come Mcrae wasnt on the floor and his answer was he couldnt guard.
Could some one please tell me who can guard on the team besides MG and JB.
I cant think of one thing that Mcmiss can do decent period,
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Please tell me how mcbee has played any worse than a vast majority of our team? Yet you and many others want to come on here and single him out and run him in the ground. If u want to harp on the rotation or whatever that is fine but give the Mcmiss thing a break. Was has golden, tatum, or hall done that makes them so much better than mcbee?
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#40
#40
Golden, Tatum, and Hall all have more talent and potential than McBee. However, I have to agree with you that none of them have made any major contributions to the success of this team.
 
#41
#41
BasketvolsFan said:
Golden, Tatum, and Hall all have more talent and potential than McBee. However, I have to agree with you that none of them have made any major contributions to the success of this team.
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I agree they have more talent which in my eyes should make them more of a target for the criticism. But its always mcmiss this mcbrick that.....
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#43
#43
Chris4Vols22 said:
Hate to admit it, but I believe you're right. At the very least, a different coach could create a sensible rotation system haha.
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It's not the rotation IMO. It's the starters not producing to the level they're capable.

Steven Pearl has been an effective sub for us this year. It could be argued that in hindsight we should have gotten Kenny Hall and Maymon more time, for the future, because they have higher ceilings than Pearl (and they're not seniors).

But in the 'present,' Pearl gave us a better chance to win than those guys.

But no, the problem wasn't the rotation. The problem was Goins and Williams and Tatum not playing to their potential. Hopson and Harris more or less produced. Everyone else was a gigantic flake.

And to me, that's on the staff.
 
#44
#44
StepCross said:
It's not the rotation IMO. It's the starters not producing to the level they're capable.

Steven Pearl has been an effective sub for us this year. It could be argued that in hindsight we should have gotten Kenny Hall and Maymon more time, for the future, because they have higher ceilings than Pearl (and they're not seniors).

But in the 'present,' Pearl gave us a better chance to win than those guys.

But no, the problem wasn't the rotation. The problem was Goins and Williams and Tatum not playing to their potential. Hopson and Harris more or less produced. Everyone else was a gigantic flake.

And to me, that's on the staff.
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In that sense, the future is now. Either of those guys, given Pearl's minutes, would now be two to three times as effective as Pearl. Admittedly, it would take actual coaching to reel in, say, Maymon's propensity for suddenly going one on three and cranking an ugly shot, but it could easily have been done.
 
#45
#45
BasketvolsFan said:
Golden, Tatum, and Hall all have more talent and potential than McBee. However, I have to agree with you that none of them have made any major contributions to the success of this team.
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Golden and Hall's contribution levels are the coach's decision. They both should play a lot more minutes. I'm not going quote Golden's stats again (I've done this a couple of times already), but, while his shooting has stunk (most likely because Pearl won't let him get into any sort of rhythm) his ball handling numbers (i.e. assists/turnovers) are significantly better than Goins or McBee (both of whom have shot poorly as well).
 
#46
#46
papatomany said:
In that sense, the future is now. Either of those guys, given Pearl's minutes, would now be two to three times as effective as Pearl. Admittedly, it would take actual coaching to reel in, say, Maymon's propensity for suddenly going one on three and cranking an ugly shot, but it could easily have been done.
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True. In hindsight it's obvious we should have played Maymon and Hall and probably McRae a lot more minutes this year. They might be ready to help us now if we had.

But at the time, when we were sitting 7-0? It looked different then. At that point, the trade is "Maymon might make us better in the long run, but we'll lose this game if he plays."

That's a trade we'd make now, cause we lost a bunch of games anyway. But tougher call on the spot.

And again, you don't have to look that far to find the failures. The staff didn't get the potential from the starters, and that's what has screwed this season over.
 
#47
#47
BigPapaVol said:
Last year's team would have been beaten senseless trying to play uptempo. The current squad would probably be worse.
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Nope. Pearl's style (the one he now says is "who I am") is as much about attitude as skills. There's no way anyone looked at the team Pearl took over and said, "'We've got a perfect team to press with." Pearl instilled the attitude, and it worked. When Pearl first abandoned it, it wasn't because it had stopped working, it was, according to quotes from him, because he thought it MIGHT stop working. Game 2 against that Oden Ohio State team: a) didn't press, b) came out on fire and built a big lead, c) let them back in the game because of a) didn't press. When we did turn the press back on, it worked. Pearl said, "We didn't press because they had seen it before." It had forced 20+ turnovers the first time. Ohio State was SCARED of it. Pearl was wrong.

ANY approach only works if you decide it's what you do and then DO IT.

As for this team: Goins, Scotty, and Tatum are all much, much better players in the open court. Turning the team into a half-court team does not play to their strengths.
 
#48
#48
Of course he had to press with that first team. He was starting 4 guards, had no post play, could trot bodies at you, passed exceptionally well and had a PG who could handle the pace. Since the loss of any respectable PGs, we've had to absolutely abandon it. The lack of JSmith style defenders hurt too.

As to the Ohio State debacle, changing spots in a big game at that point was senseless and we paid for it. He'd do that differently today. Trying to slow down wasn't in our DNA at all.
 
#49
#49
supersmo18 said:
Why are we even still having conversations about this speculation?
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tnvols72 said:
the next question is what other coach would have Mcmiss on the floor period ?
I seen a tweet last night from Wes where he was asked how come Mcrae wasnt on the floor and his answer was he couldnt guard.
Could some one please tell me who can guard on the team besides MG and JB.
I cant think of one thing that Mcmiss can do decent period,
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answe to first question is yes. Problem is they are the coaches at Marshall and Santa Clara. haha
 
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