Could recruits earn CPG another year

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Grateful Vol

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Answer this question that is realistic, buy yet optimistic.

We have the 7th best recruiting class in the nation. Where we go from here is very vulnerable to a coaching change.

If CPF retires/is fired, we are likely to lose alot of our key recruits. Out of the eight 4 stars, lets say we would lose four of them which is a modest estimation. We would likely drop to 15-20 or maybe worse. And even if we land the hottest coach in the world, it is very unlikely our rating would improve considering the loss of commits and prospects.

If somehow we end up winning the majority of our last 6 games, CPF may earn himself one more year. In doing so, we should keep a high percentage of our key recruits. At this point, we are very likely to land a couple more bigtime prospects like Moses, Holloman, and Boyd and break through with a top 5 recruiting class. Considering those 3 guys are at the tops of their positions, it could reach top 3 with one more bluechip.


If there was a top 5 recruiting class on the line, do you think Fulmer should get one more year?
 
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Everyone thinks Fulmer is one of the few who can recruit great out of state talent, BS. Did you know? Fulmer was 0-9 versus Florida in the last recruiting class. He was 2-15 versus Bama. And, Fulmer let our best two in state prospects land in Bama. Fulmer is washed up in all aspects of coaching!!!!!!!
 
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Grateful Vol said:
Answer this question that is realistic, buy yet optimistic.

We have the 7th best recruiting class in the nation. Where we go from here is very vulnerable to a coaching change.

If CPF retires/is fired, we are likely to lose alot of our key recruits. Out of the eight 4 stars, lets say we would lose four of them which is a modest estimation. We would likely drop to 15-20 or maybe worse. And even if we land the hottest coach in the world, it is very unlikely our rating would improve considering the loss of commits and prospects.

If somehow we end up winning the majority of our last 6 games, CPF may earn himself one more year. In doing so, we should keep a high percentage of our key recruits. At this point, we are very likely to land a couple more bigtime prospects like Moses, Holloman, and Boyd and break through with a top 5 recruiting class. Considering those 3 guys are at the tops of their positions, it could reach top 3 with one more bluechip.


If there was a top 5 recruiting class on the line, do you think Fulmer should get one more year?
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not unless the on-field performance improves
 
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Yeah its about bringin in a better group of players than we have now! And rebuilding this new offense and New QB. Its all a mess but give em some time to fix it and if it we dont get better by the end of the year and look like we are heading in the right direction than put him in the front office so he can still help with recruiting. We have got to give the offense a chance with a QB who is playin better than what we have had. Stephens is coming into his own and if by the end of the year it looks like we are moving forward and we win out than maybe we give him another year. IMO
 
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I think he does get another year because of this class. MH has already made it clear that recruiting isn't easy here, and so if he is satisfied with the way recruiting is going, he is likely to let him by on a 6-6 record.

I think we go 6-6 this year, 9-4 next, he is off the hot-seat till he breaks the record and finally loosens his grip on the program.
 
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That's just it. Most fans don't want to lose 4 games per season (in the good years) until he breaks the record - and, what if he doesn't want to step down even after breaking it?

Whenever we have a season like this, it makes what should be considered an average season look like some kind of great turnaround. 9-4 (2006) > 5-6 (2005), and you hit the nail when you predicted a year like that coming off of this season being enough to take our coach off of the hot seat.
 
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Grateful Vol said:
Answer this question that is realistic, buy yet optimistic.

We have the 7th best recruiting class in the nation. Where we go from here is very vulnerable to a coaching change.

If CPF retires/is fired, we are likely to lose alot of our key recruits. Out of the eight 4 stars, lets say we would lose four of them which is a modest estimation. We would likely drop to 15-20 or maybe worse. And even if we land the hottest coach in the world, it is very unlikely our rating would improve considering the loss of commits and prospects.

If somehow we end up winning the majority of our last 6 games, CPF may earn himself one more year. In doing so, we should keep a high percentage of our key recruits. At this point, we are very likely to land a couple more bigtime prospects like Moses, Holloman, and Boyd and break through with a top 5 recruiting class. Considering those 3 guys are at the tops of their positions, it could reach top 3 with one more bluechip.


If there was a top 5 recruiting class on the line, do you think Fulmer should get one more year?
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Yes. I would hope that the AD would make it clear to CPF that Clawson should be allowed to call ALL offensive plays and make decisions so that we can get a fair estimation of his abilities to determine if he should be CPF's successor. Clawson's staff is good and I'd like to see them stick around. I would also want Chavis and Slade gone. Fulmer needs to remain as a Joe-Pa type figurehead and let the coordinators run the team and compete for the HC job. As I've said before, that would be my ideal situation. Doubt it goes down like that, though. We will need to have a good recruiting class this year to have any hope of competing in the SEC in the next few years. A new HC will almost guarantee we will lose a considerable amount of recruits. Chavis leaving will have little affect on recruiting...especially if we improve our DC.
 
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A Boyd committment would get everyones attention. And with only 10 schollys left, you can bet a few of our top prospects will go on and jump on board. It would definitely give Fulmer ammunition.

Has any other school fired a coach who had a top 5 incoming class?
 
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It's an argument his supporters will make but in truth he had great classes in 2004 (#11) and 2005 (#4). The players fom those classes should be the starters and leaders of this team right now if Fulmer and Co. were doing their job of properly evaluating and developing talent. The problem is bigger than one recruiting class at this point. Time to bite the bullet.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
It's an argument his supporters will make but in truth he had great classes in 2004 (#11) and 2005 (#4). The players fom those classes should be the starters and leaders of this team right now if Fulmer and Co. were doing their job of properly evaluating and developing talent. The problem is bigger than one recruiting class at this point. Time to bite the bullet.
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I agree, that we will continue to bounce around average-mediocre until he is gone, but it is a hard thing to do.

Imagine you have a trusty dog (Fulmer) who has been with you a long time. Now say he bites two people (has a couple crap seasons) and you know you have to put him down because he is just too old and losing it, but just before you do, he chases off a wolf (manages a few wins) and saves your son's life (manages a stellar recruiting class.)

I am not arguing he should stay after getting a good recruiting class, I'm just saying the psychology of it puts MH in a very difficult situation. Regardless of who is pulling the strings, it will be tough for him to do. Phil has been around the program alot longer than Buzz was.
 
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Grateful Vol said:
Answer this question that is realistic, buy yet optimistic.

We have the 7th best recruiting class in the nation. Where we go from here is very vulnerable to a coaching change.

If CPF retires/is fired, we are likely to lose alot of our key recruits. Out of the eight 4 stars, lets say we would lose four of them which is a modest estimation. We would likely drop to 15-20 or maybe worse. And even if we land the hottest coach in the world, it is very unlikely our rating would improve considering the loss of commits and prospects.

If somehow we end up winning the majority of our last 6 games, CPF may earn himself one more year. In doing so, we should keep a high percentage of our key recruits. At this point, we are very likely to land a couple more bigtime prospects like Moses, Holloman, and Boyd and break through with a top 5 recruiting class. Considering those 3 guys are at the tops of their positions, it could reach top 3 with one more bluechip.


If there was a top 5 recruiting class on the line, do you think Fulmer should get one more year?[/QUOTE]

NOPE!
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Screwed the title, my bad. Don't think I can change it tough.

Biting the bullet is the inevitable solution. However, the differece between doing it this year or next year could be as detrimental as keeping Fulmer (or Gulmer).

The fact is that our offense lacks championship talent. These offensive commits could solve a large chunk of our struggles with athelticism, speed, and improved run game in the first year. They would be the O for the next 4 years like the 2007 class was the D for the next 4 years. The D is championship caliber, and should be for at least 2 more years. They would play together for 2 years.

This class plus the 2007 class could be the most talent that UT has had simutaneously since 2001 and our best shot at a championship this decade. I hope that if we do get a new coach that they can keep these guys. Cause back to back crappy classes would be devestating. There are very very few coaches who can do what Saban has did at Bama and make things better sooner rather than later. The other 95% of coaches are Petrinos, give him time but its going to take 4 long years.
 
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If Fulmer pulls another good class and with most of the 07 class being JR's and SO's, then I could stomach another season with one condition. The condition being that he had to beat 2 of the 3 rivals we have next year and if he doesn't then he is out on his ass. That's the only way I am cool with that scenario.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If Fulmer pulls another good class and with most of the 07 class being JR's and SO's, then I could stomach another season with one condition. The condition being that he had to beat 2 of the 3 rivals we have next year and if he doesn't then he is out on his ass. That's the only way I am cool with that scenario.
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Why settle for that? Go ahead and make the change now.
 
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From Basilio's blog:

Tennessee has finished in the final Rivals Poll in the following way in the past 5 classes. The Vols were #11 in ’04, #4 in ’05, #23 in ’06, #3 in ’07 & #25 in ’08. That's good for an Average Finishing Position of 13.2 in the Final National in Rivals Recruiting Rankings. How can you be 13 Ave Nationally over 5 years and put that team we have on the football field? I would like someone to explain that to me. Because if recruiting prowess is the reason we are bringing back coach Fulmer, you need to explain to me how we can have 13.2 talent in a America and be ranked somewhere in the 50’s right now. What would make anyone think that this years class would make it any different? Chances are that it would just be another class that looks good on paper full of players who can’t get on the field until we burn another season. That’s the script around here. Last year somehow worked out, but that was a once a decade aberration. Face the facts if you're holding onto the notion of this years commitments as a saving grace for Coach Fulmer. There’s nowhere to run and nowhere to hide and an energetic, creative, vibrant approach is needed at Tennessee in the worst way.

Real live Volunteer History will be made Saturday night in hopefully not rainy Neyland Stadium. Phillip Fulmer either becomes the greatest comeback kid this side of John McCain or he becomes the greatest flame-out since John McCain. His election day is Saturday night. He wins, he can think of himself as alive in terms of staying on at UT. Not sure if I buy that but you do and that’s all that counts. If Fulmer loses, it’s curtains. And right now let’s face it, he’s down double digits in the polls and the election is
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To hold on to CPF would be like McCain's campaign holding on to Sarah Palin. Sure they have done you well in the past, but they are just dragging you down the longger you hold on. :swoon3:
 
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