Could what happened to Majors happen to Fulmer

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by Jasongivm6@Oct 23, 2005 10:27 PM
He won 3 and left no doubt in any one of them.

The "Bear" only won 2 NC's when he did not lose a game in a season.

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"Left no doubt?" They shared the title with Michigan in '97. Someone obviously had some doubt.

 

[GAVol]

My point about Osborne is that National titles is a somewhat misleading measure of a coach's greatness. He was winning 10 and 11 games every year, but it took him 21 years to win a National title.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 23, 2005 10:46 PM
My point about Osborne is that National titles is a somewhat misleading measure of a coach's greatness.  He was winning 10 and 11 games every year, but it took him 21 years to win a National title.

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Great point. NC's might or might not happen. But the great coaches prove their greatness by being consistently good and in the mix. Sometimes you really good, sometimes not. But when it is based on skill and knowledge, it becomes a repeatable process.

TN's repeatable process is doing all of the wrong things over and over again over the course of several years. That is ultimately what lost us the game Sat - instituional mediocrity.

 

[Jasongivm6]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Oct 23, 2005 10:44 PM
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"Left no doubt?" They shared the title with Michigan in '97. Someone obviously had some doubt.

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They didn't lose a game. Losing a game and winning a NC is "leaving doubt" I was comparing his 3 NC's to the Bear's 6. The Bear lost a game in 4 of his NC's.

That's all.

 

[Vol-In-Bama]

Originally posted by Jasongivm6@Oct 23, 2005 9:22 PM
Most of our head coaches have come from "within."

But Fulmer's worst season is still better than Johnny Majors' career win % of .572

Major's only had 2 10 win (or more) seasons in 16 years at U.T. and 3 10 win(or more) seasons in 28 years of coaching.

Bill Battle had 3 10 win(or more) seasons at UT in 7 years.

Fulmer has 8 10 win(or more) seasons in 12.5 years.

Doug Dickey never had a 10 win season in his 15 years of coaching.

Bowden Wyatt only had 1 10 win season at UT, and only 2 10 win(or more) seasons in his 16 years of coaching.
Neyland only had 5 10 win seasons in 21 years of coaching.

And out of the 20 head coaches that we have had, Fulmer, Majors, Neyland, Battle, and Wyatt are the only ones with atleast 1 10 win season.
So, I think we are taking some things for granted.  JMO

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Pretty hard to argue with those numbers.... :blush:

 

[VolNGA]

Originally posted by wilburnVol@Oct 23, 2005 9:35 PM
Is Fulmer vulnerable? Of course he is as is any CEO is. Bottom line is bottom line.

It will take at least another year of questionable play before Phil is really on the hot seat. Prudent minds know it is better to fix than to change.

I totally agree with this. But let me make one point. A SMART CEO knowing that he is being looked at because of questionable results will usually shake things up a bit and do some restructuring. We now get to see if PF can read the writing on the wall and do the things that need to be done.

 

[smokedog#3]

i believe fulmer nor any coach on the team will be replaced on the team this year. nor will fulmer replace anybody, he gave them all payraises last year. you don't do that then fire somebody he would have to admit he was wrong.

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by VolNGA@Oct 24, 2005 12:18 PM
I totally agree with this.  But let me make one point.  A SMART CEO knowing that he is being looked at because of questionable results will usually shake things up a bit and do some restructuring.  We now get to see if PF can read the writing on the wall and do the things that need to be done.

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Fulmer is, ultimately, a survivor. Changes in the offensive coaching staff are a necessity. If he chooses some weird loyalty to an OC who has publicly called him a liar, then he has sealed his own fate and when next year is over, is likely to go down with his ship.

I don't see Phil taking that $2M plus chance. :stop:

 

[Volstorm]

If he gets the word, Fulmer will fire Sanders before he goes.

 

[orangetd88]

What happened to Majors specifically cannot happened to Fulmer because, IMO, there is not someone there poised and waiting to take the head job away from him.

 

[Volstorm]

True

 

[CHATTAVOL]

Trouper stays!!!!!! he is a good coach. While all the fat guys pat backs hes chest bumpin and pumpin there spirits up. If you have played football you know this helps

 

[Jasongivm6]

Originally posted by CHATTAVOL@Oct 24, 2005 3:47 PM
Trouper stays!!!!!! he is a good coach. While all the fat guys pat backs hes chest bumpin and pumpin there spirits up. If you have played football you know this helps

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He better stay. He got the biggest Raise of all the assistant coaches. I wish he would suit up, actually.

 

[UTvolsAE]

I still say we have had and still have too much talent to look like we do week after week. There need to be changes made. I think Phil will fire some before he getst he ax.

 

[VolNGA]

Originally posted by UTvolsAE@Oct 24, 2005 4:51 PM
I still say we have had and still have too much talent to look like we do week after week.  There need to be changes made.  I think Phil will fire some before he getst he ax.

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He has to or he is basically a dimwit. I don't think he is a dimwit, thus someone will get fired. Here is the catch though. If RS is thrown out on his ear, Phil HAS to let the next guy he brings in run the offense his own way.

I truly hope we get someone from outside the system to bring in fresh ideas and a new face, we need it badly.

Also, I'm a big Trooper fan, but for the few people I have seen calling for him to be OC, I have to disagree... we need someone with a proven track record who isn't afraid to shake things up.... let Trooper get some experience under THAT type of person, not the current one.

 

[VolsWinRLose]

PF's not going anywhere for 2 reasons:
1) too many people are content with "winning seasons" and
2) too many people are afraid what we end up with as a replacement could be worse.

I think it will take another 2 years of sub-par performance from the team before he'll even have to can RS.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by VolsWinRLose@Oct 25, 2005 12:11 AM
PF's not going anywhere for 2 reasons:
1) too many people are content with "winning seasons" and
2) too many people are afraid what we end up with as a replacement could be worse.

I think it will take another 2 years of sub-par performance from the team before he'll even have to can RS.

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yeah i agree.

i think next year is gonna be worse then this year...looking at the talent graduating.

i think we could potentially see some changes at the end of next season.

fulmer has it made here and he knows it. Winning th NC in 98 is really covering his butt right now.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Oct 24, 2005 3:46 PM
What happened to Majors specifically cannot happened to Fulmer because, IMO, there is not someone there poised and waiting to take the head job away from him.

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I dont agree.

If something happens to Fulmer, Chavis is waiting right there, and he's had a lot more interest from other football programs in potentially being a head coach, then Fulmer had ever got before he took over as a head coach.

 

[vols2345]

Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 24, 2005 11:14 PM
yeah i agree.

i think next year is gonna be worse then this year...looking at the talent graduating.

i think we could potentially see some changes at the end of next season.

fulmer has it made here and he knows it.  Winning th NC in 98 is really covering his butt right now.

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Actually i think we can potentially be better next year than this year. Yeah we are losing alot on defense, but our offense will be pretty good next year, I mean if ainge can get back in the swing of things. I dont see why we wont have a great year next year.