Cowboys and Titans agree to Pacman trade

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Titans get 4th round pick this Saturday for Pacman and a pick in 2009 if Pacman plays in 2008. If he does not play then the Cowboys get an undisclosed pick from the Titans in 2009.

This is a win for the Titans just to get rid of the guy.
 
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As a Cowboys fan for over 30 years, I cannot describe the nausea I feel right now. And the deal is only in principle, nothing is signed yet. If they sign him, my jersey will be set on fire in my driveway.
 
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superdave1984 said:
As a Cowboys fan for over 30 years, I cannot describe the nausea I feel right now. And the deal is only in principle, nothing is signed yet. If they sign him, my jersey will be set on fire in my driveway.
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Pacman is no worse than Nate Newton, Michael Irvin, Leon Lett etc
 
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justingroves said:
Pacman is no worse than Nate Newton, Michael Irvin, Leon Lett etc
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i'm pretty sure this is the same guy I already had this conversation with...

Rumor is Wade was seen in a pawn shop this afternoon to buy a handgun...
 
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You left out Hollywood Henderson.
It's not that he's any worse, I think he is but that's not the point. My point is I am sick of people getting break after break just because they can play ball. If Adam Jones was a factory worker or an accountant or an x-ray tech, he would not only be unemployed, but pretty much unemployable. I am sick of good morals and good character being a distant second to athletic ability. Give me a quality guy with average skills that I can depend on to give me 100% effort every day and will not be a problem over a superstar caliber athlete that can't seem to go to the drive-thru without the possibility of a drive-by and doesn't give effort unless he wants to. Yeah I might lose games, but in my book, dignity, class and respect mean a whole lot.
I ask you this, if you had to tell your young son to idolize and emulate a sports figure, would it be Adam Jones? I think not. If that's your choice of role model, go ahead and call the adoption agency because you are not fit to be a parent.
 
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superdave1984 said:
I ask you this, if you had to tell your young son to idolize and emulate a sports figure, would it be Adam Jones? I think not. If that's your choice of role model, go ahead and call the adoption agency because you are not fit to be a parent.
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While were deciding who is fit to be a parent, I'd suggest that if your child needs to use a sports figure as a role model...well then they are already getting a bad shake.
 
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superdave1984 said:
I ask you this, if you had to tell your young son to idolize and emulate a sports figure, would it be Adam Jones? I think not. If that's your choice of role model, go ahead and call the adoption agency because you are not fit to be a parent.
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i don't want my kid idolizing any sports figure. Sports figures are humans and they make mistakes just like the factory worker does. everyone gets second and third chances, it's just usually at the expense of the previous job.

Granted I've never worked with high end professional athletes, but I've been around D1 college athletes, minor league baseball players and even superstar teen golfers enough to know that no matter what kind of special gift they bring to their craft, ultimately they are no more perfect outside their respective athletic arena than any of us that watch them.
 
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I never said that kids should idolize sports figures, but you are very naive if you think they don't. And I am well aware that everyone makes mistakes. But you cannot deny that the star athlete gets many MANY more breaks than the average person. What would happen if you or I went Latrell on the boss?
 
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superdave1984 said:
I never said that kids should idolize sports figures, but you are very naive if you think they don't. And I am well aware that everyone makes mistakes. But you cannot deny that the star athlete gets many MANY more breaks than the average person. What would happen if you or I went Latrell on the boss?
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we'd get in trouble and eventually get a second chance. Kind of like what happened to Latrell.
 
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volfanbill said:
we'd get in trouble and eventually get a second chance. Kind of like what happened to Latrell.
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OK, a second chance. If I did something like that, I would be fired on the spot, arrested and probably spend time in jail. Then it would be very difficult to find another job. If I had Adam Jones' police record I wouldn't be able to find a job either. But because the guy can play football he gets chance after chance. I don't expect grown people to be perfect, but I do expect them to act in a manner that can be respected by the rest of the world. These people are on the world's biggest stage and they need to show some class. I do hope the guy gets his act together, but I ain't holding my breath.
 
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superdave1984 said:
You left out Hollywood Henderson.
It's not that he's any worse, I think he is but that's not the point. My point is I am sick of people getting break after break just because they can play ball. If Adam Jones was a factory worker or an accountant or an x-ray tech, he would not only be unemployed, but pretty much unemployable. I am sick of good morals and good character being a distant second to athletic ability. Give me a quality guy with average skills that I can depend on to give me 100% effort every day and will not be a problem over a superstar caliber athlete that can't seem to go to the drive-thru without the possibility of a drive-by and doesn't give effort unless he wants to. Yeah I might lose games, but in my book, dignity, class and respect mean a whole lot.
I ask you this, if you had to tell your young son to idolize and emulate a sports figure, would it be Adam Jones? I think not. If that's your choice of role model, go ahead and call the adoption agency because you are not fit to be a parent.
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You work in factories much?

I work for a furniture store delivering furniture. One guy there spent ten years in jail for stabbing a guy.

I've worked on several framing crews and on one crew I worked on, 3 of the 5 guys had multiple DUI's.
 
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justingroves said:
You work in factories much?

I work for a furniture store delivering furniture. One guy there spent ten years in jail for stabbing a guy.

I've worked on several framing crews and on one crew I worked on, 3 of the 5 guys had multiple DUI's.
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I've worked with guys in factories and excavation co. that have been found guilty of crimes ranging from manslaughter to domestic violence. You would be surprised what those working around you have done. Hell one guy I worked with was raided at work and the police found four pounds of smoke in his car. He made bail three days later and was back at work.
 
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KB5252 said:
I've worked with guys in factories and excavation co. that have been found guilty of crimes ranging from manslaughter to domestic violence. You would be surprised what those working around you have done. Hell one guy I worked with was raided at work and the police found four pounds of smoke in his car. He made bail three days later and was back at work.
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But only athletes get second chances...
 
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I'm all for giving people second chances but Pac Man has been given more than a couple. I actually hope he does turn it around, just wouldn't want him in my locker room if I was a player until he proved he moved past all the off field stuff.
 
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before anyone plays the blue collar work card, it's important to point out all the illegal activities high end business managers, finance and stock guys have gotten busted for, served their time and then walked right back into a top level business admin job making at least 6 figures.
 
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justingroves said:
Oh yeah it was time for Pacman to move on.
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Even if I was Cowboy I would have to look at him with suspicion. I wonder what his attitude will be there. Cowboys are known for taking "troubled" players but I'm not sure Pac Man gets it yet and if he hasn't by now I don't think he ever will. We should know by the middle of this NFL season.
 
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volfanbill said:
before anyone plays the blue collar work card, it's important to point out all the illegal activities high end business managers, finance and stock guys have gotten busted for, served their time and then walked right back into a top level business admin job making at least 6 figures.
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I was just talking from personal experience.
 
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volfanbill said:
before anyone plays the blue collar work card, it's important to point out all the illegal activities high end business managers, finance and stock guys have gotten busted for, served their time and then walked right back into a top level business admin job making at least 6 figures.
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Depending on the crime. Many of those type guys made so much money before their run in with the law they simply retire.
 
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KB5252 said:
Even if I was Cowboy I would have to look at him with suspicion. I wonder what his attitude will be there. Cowboys are known for taking "troubled" players but I'm not sure Pac Man gets it yet and if he hasn't by now I don't think he ever will. We should know by the middle of this NFL season.
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He'll either straighten up or the Titans owe the Cowboys a draft pick.

The Cowboys have turned a blind eye to a lot in the past.
 
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OK some questions and then I will stop debating this topic.
1. Do you trust the guy completely?
2. Do you respect the guy?
If you can't answer yes to both, why defend him or want him on your team? I guess every player or employee is a risk/reward situation. Does the risk outweigh the potential reward? And not just monetary risk here, I mean the damage to the reputation of your company as a whole. And in this case the entire NFL. Back in my younger days I didn't care what players did off the field as long as my team won. I didn't see the problems that it caused. But as I get older I guess the character of a man means more to me than his 40 time or how many INT's he has. I would like to be able to tell my son, "Go play like that guy right there, he does it the right way"
 
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superdave1984 said:
OK some questions and then I will stop debating this topic.
1. Do you trust the guy completely?
2. Do you respect the guy?
If you can't answer yes to both, why defend him or want him on your team? I guess every player or employee is a risk/reward situation. Does the risk outweigh the potential reward? And not just monetary risk here, I mean the damage to the reputation of your company as a whole. And in this case the entire NFL. Back in my younger days I didn't care what players did off the field as long as my team won. I didn't see the problems that it caused. But as I get older I guess the character of a man means more to me than his 40 time or how many INT's he has. I would like to be able to tell my son, "Go play like that guy right there, he does it the right way"
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i'm not defending him nor saying I want him on the Redskins, I'm just pointing out that in every facet of life, second chances abound.
 
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