Craig Biggio Appreciation Thread

#27
#27
Bennett4UT said:
The sports writers kill me. They have already started the "is he a hall of famer?" crap
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Any writer who has to ask that question is a walking endorsement for the proposition that sportswriters shouldn't be the ones making that decision.
 
#29
#29
oklavol said:
Biggio
.282 Avg
286 HR

Andre Dawson
.279 Avg
438 HR

Dale Murphy
.265 Avg
398 HR
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In case you didn't know, there's more to the game than hitting home runs. That said, Dawson's is one of the most glaring omissions from the Hall. Murphy, not so much.
 
#33
#33
Murphy was a very good player but not hall o fame level.

Rice and Dawson were well rounded players who did everything at a high level. IMO they should be in. They were more than one trick players. Biggio may fall into that same category unfortunately.
 
#34
#34
The most complimentary thing I can say about Biggs is that, as a Braves fan, I have always hated it when Atlanta had to play against that guy.

Congratulations to him on an elite achievement.
 
#35
#35
cotton said:
The most complimentary thing I can say about Biggs is that, as a Braves fan, I have always hated it when Atlanta had to play against that guy.

Congratulations to him on an elite achievement.
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I finally found another person living in Kentucky that is not a Reds fan!
 
#36
#36
Bennett4UT said:
Murphy was a very good player but not hall o fame level.

Rice and Dawson were well rounded players who did everything at a high level. IMO they should be in. They were more than one trick players. Biggio may fall into that same category unfortunately.
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Jim Rice was an awful defensive player and a mediocre baserunner.
 
#37
#37
hatvol96 said:
In case you didn't know, there's more to the game than hitting home runs. That said, Dawson's is one of the most glaring omissions from the Hall. Murphy, not so much.
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Though he won 2 straight MVPs, and though he was my childhood hero, Murphy, I have to admit, is not a Hall of Famer. He was one of the 5 best players in the game for a good stretch, but he didn't have the longevity most in the Hall do.
 
#38
#38
cotton said:
The most complimentary thing I can say about Biggs is that, as a Braves fan, I have always hated it when Atlanta had to play against that guy.
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Agreed, but I don't remember ever being bitter about his success against us.
 
#39
#39
Murphy is a strange case. He was well on his way to 500 HRs and then suddenly his skills inexplicably eroded all at once at about the age of 32. If you look at his stats, 1987 was probably his best year statistically, then his numbers went into a free fall.
 
#40
#40
GAVol said:
Murphy is a strange case. He was well on his way to 500 HRs and then suddenly his skills inexplicably eroded all at once at about the age of 32. If you look at his stats, 1987 was probably his best year statistically, then his numbers went into a free fall.
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There was nothing sadder than watching him try to hold on at the end with the Phillies and the Rockies.
 
#41
#41
hatvol96 said:
There was nothing sadder than watching him try to hold on at the end with the Phillies and the Rockies.
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Agreed . . . I wish he would have just hung it up and taken a job in the Braves front office a la Hank Aaron.
 
#42
#42
GAVol said:
Agreed . . . I wish he would have just hung it up and taken a job in the Braves front office a la Hank Aaron.
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John Kruk does have some great stories in his book about how terribly mismatched Murphy was with that insane Phillies crew.
 
#43
#43
Can you imagine a conversation between Dale Murphy and Len Dykstra?
 
#46
#46
GAVol said:
Murphy is a strange case. He was well on his way to 500 HRs and then suddenly his skills inexplicably eroded all at once at about the age of 32. If you look at his stats, 1987 was probably his best year statistically, then his numbers went into a free fall.
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He had that mole cut off his face during the offseason before 1988; I remember people joking that that must have been where all his skill came from.

Has there been another truly great baseball player to lose it seemingly overnight like that? If he'd had a normal arc to his career, he'd have ended up over 500 home runs and there never would have been any question about him going to the Hall. But it was like he started out the 1988 season in a slump, and just never came out of it.
 
#47
#47
Vercingetorix said:
He had that mole cut off his face during the offseason before 1988; I remember people joking that that must have been where all his skill came from.

Has there been another truly great baseball player to lose it seemingly overnight like that? If he'd had a normal arc to his career, he'd have ended up over 500 home runs and there never would have been any question about him going to the Hall. But it was like he started out the 1988 season in a slump, and just never came out of it.
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Reggie Jackson had a massive fall off in one year. Jim Rice declined rather precipitously.
 
#48
#48
Vercingetorix said:
He had that mole cut off his face during the offseason before 1988; I remember people joking that that must have been where all his skill came from.

Has there been another truly great baseball player to lose it seemingly overnight like that? If he'd had a normal arc to his career, he'd have ended up over 500 home runs and there never would have been any question about him going to the Hall. But it was like he started out the 1988 season in a slump, and just never came out of it.
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Robbie Alomar also seemed to lose it all at once.
 
#49
#49
hatvol96 said:
John Kruk does have some great stories in his book about how terribly mismatched Murphy was with that insane Phillies crew.
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I was depressed (not really, but you know what I mean) for months after this trade.
 
#50
#50
hatvol96 said:
Robbie Alomar also seemed to lose it all at once.
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How about Carlos Baerga? Early in his career in the early to mid 90s he was one of the top 2nd basemen in the AL and then he went straight in the toilet for the next 10 years or so.
 
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