W.TN.Orange Blood
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You have a good point about errors in the judicial system mean innocent people have been and will be murdered by the state for crimes they didn't commit.We should be doing away with the death penalty, not expanding the crimes it applies to.
You have a good point about errors in the judicial system mean innocent people have been and will be murdered by the state for crimes they didn't commit.
Do you also feel death penalty is not appropriate for a criminal caught "red handed" (like video evidence) doing something despicable?
how would a "red handed" situation not be an absolute method for determining guilt in your opinion?
I don't know. Haven't thought about it before. Lemme contemplate.Eye witness testimony is often wrong. Video can be manipulated.
What would you consider "red handed"? How many hours/days of video or eye witness prior to the event would be needed in order to get all of the perspective for a "red handed" capital case?
current thoughts are trending like this...irrefutable evidence from 3 independent sources should be adequate to establish guilt. Ex. Robber kills 4 employees at close. 5th employee survives and can positively ID. Plus store video showing event and clear pic of face, LEO arrives and has body cam footage and arrests the person still in the store.Eye witness testimony is often wrong. Video can be manipulated.
What would you consider "red handed"? How many hours/days of video or eye witness prior to the event would be needed in order to get all of the perspective for a "red handed" capital case?
It is difficult. If OJ can go free, we have to admit innocent people are convicted. Infinitesimal likelihood of errors only going one way.It's a difficult question for me. I don't have a problem killing those needing to be killed but my distrust of the state and judicial system as a whole has led me to the belief that we should end capital punishment.
current thoughts are trending like this...irrefutable evidence from 3 independent sources should be adequate to establish guilt. Ex. Robber kills 4 employees at close. 5th employee survives and can positively ID. Plus store video showing event and clear pic of face, LEO arrives and has body cam footage and arrests the person still in the store.
Consequences of crime are about punishment. With some crimes, we hope to rehabilitate (or we should) and release the person back into society. With other crimes, no rehabilitation is offered (like life in prison). Deterrence has a significant amount of psychology associated with it. Not surprising we do not conduct punishments in a way which enhances deterrence.Yes but I don't see why the state killing people is necessary. It hasn't worked as a deterrent yet.
Consequences of crime are about punishment. With some crimes, we hope to rehabilitate (or we should) and release the person back into society. With other crimes, no rehabilitation is offered (like life in prison). Deterrence has a significant amount of psychology associated with it. Not surprising we do not conduct punishments in a way which enhances deterrence.
Some crimes rise to the level of ultimate punishment, in my opinion. Administering that in a way where there is no possibility of error is complicated.
I don't think I am capable of answering that question. I think of life as a precious gift. So, for me the death penalty is the ultimate way to punish because we are removing the most precious thing a person has. But not everyone (including brutal criminals) feel that way. I suspect some of those would rather die than spend life in prison. Like I said earlier, not an easy issue to consider.As for a deterrence, I've said before that if we are going to keep the death penalty all executions should be done by hanging and in public. Televise them.
As for punishment, is killing someone humanly (as we try to do) more of a punishment than life in prison?
There are tons of examples of killers released from jail..those are essentially states sanctioned murders.No, “everything” doesn’t, and that’s also a strange response to someone pointing out how this could result in an innocent person being killed. “Oh well, you can never really be certain but might as well kill them anyway”
Why even try to enforce laws then..everything is faulty and can be manipulated....