Criticism about variations in events

[lawgator1]

When this first happened, I caught a guy,some sort of special forces expert, on one of the talk shows. Wish I could remember who it was.

At any rate, he made a comment that did not really register with me until seeing the threads pointing out some of the inconsistencies in the version of events being told, i.e. was he armed, did he have a gun near him, did he lunge for a gun, did the woman jump in front of him or go at the SEALs, etc.

The comment was that it was likely that we would see a combination of vagueness and contradiction in descriptions about it in the days and weeks following the event, and that it is on purpose.

His point was that it is done to create some uncertainty on the part of other terrorist leaders, to keep them guessing, and to prevent any sort of planning on their part. It should be expected as part of basically a disinformation campaign.

Wonder if he wasn't right and that this is what is going on here.

 

[volinbham]

My guess is that some is intentional to mislead, some is intentional for political impact and some is unintentional based on second, third and forth hand versions of events.

That would be true regardless of party in power.

 

[droski]

The killing of bin Laden: Was it legal? - CNN.com

If members of the SEAL team "reasonably (believed there was) a risk to themselves, then the killing was justified," Robertson asserted. But given the changing White House account of the raid, "there needs to be an inquiry," he said.

This is getting ridiculous.

 

[JayVols]

My guess is that some is intentional to mislead, some is intentional for political impact and some is unintentional based on second, third and forth hand versions of events.

That would be true regardless of party in power.

:yes:

 

[IPorange]

An inquiry? Seriously? WTF.

 

[volinbham]

I don't support an inquiry but the WH has botched the story to raise questions. Should have had their story straight.

 

[JayVols]

The killing of bin Laden: Was it legal? - CNN.com

If members of the SEAL team "reasonably (believed there was) a risk to themselves, then the killing was justified," Robertson asserted. But given the changing White House account of the raid, "there needs to be an inquiry," he said.

This is getting ridiculous.

Looks like the radical conspiracy theorists just might be overplaying their hand.

 

[utvolpj]

Navi Pillay, the United Nations high commissioner for human rights, told reporters she wants a "full disclosure" of the key facts.

come on that's funny

 

[BeecherVol]

I don't support an inquiry but the WH has botched the story to raise questions. Should have had their story straight.

This.

I can see variances on the info from those on the ground until the time it is released to the public. In this case tho, the WH is the funnel the info goes thru. If some of the info needs to be filtered for national security reasons fine.

 

[therealUT]

Not sure I support a non-US citizen requesting an inquiry from the US Congress on anything.

If Robertson wants to push for an inquiry, he should push for it through the British Parliament.

 

[JZVOL]

If I'm part of the team and I find him I assume he has a bomb strapped to him or detonator on him that will explode some type of bomb... I'd shoot first and ask questions second.

 

[BeecherVol]

come on that's funny

What? You disagree?

I thought we fell under UN governed rules. We need some conformation on this.

 

[lawgator1]

My guess is that some is intentional to mislead, some is intentional for political impact and some is unintentional based on second, third and forth hand versions of events.

That would be true regardless of party in power.

Makes sense that its a combination of intentional and mistakes in relaying it.

This.

I can see variances on the info from those on the ground until the time it is released to the public. In this case tho, the WH is the funnel the info goes thru. If some of the info needs to be filtered for national security reasons fine.

Well, I think the point the expert was making was that there would be some intentional misinformation put out there. As bham states, its probably a combination of that and some bungling of the story coming from the SEALs and their commanders at the time and then updates and now full debriefings.

 

[Gramps]

If I'm part of the team and I find him I assume he has a bomb strapped to him or detonator on him that will explode some type of bomb... I'd shoot first and ask questions second.

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[utvolpj]

What? You disagree?

I thought we fell under UN governed rules. We need some conformation on this.

I was more poking fun at this

United Nations high commissioner for human rights

 

[BeecherVol]

Well, I think the point the expert was making was that there would be some intentional misinformation put out there. As bham states, its probably a combination of that and some bungling of the story coming from the SEALs and their commanders at the time and then updates and now full debriefings.

Don't doubt that at all, and really don't have a problem with it either. Just get the info you want to release out and stick to that, no real reason to put something out there to retract later. If you have to wait a couple days so be it.

 

[lawgator1]

The UN thing will never get traction. Never.

 

[volinbham]

come on that's funny

Yes, the UN that supports Libya, Syria, Iran for the Human Rights Council calling for an inquiry is simply hilarious.

 

[lawgator1]

Don't doubt that at all, and really don't have a problem with it either. Just get the info you want to release out and stick to that, no real reason to put something out there to retract later. If you have to wait a couple days so be it.

He said there'd likely be some contradiction. I'm not saying that all of the contradiction in this case is planned out, just hypothesizing that some might be. Found the notion of that interesting, ergo the thread.

 

[BeecherVol]

He said there'd likely be some contradiction. I'm not saying that all of the contradiction in this case is planned out, just hypothesizing that some might be. Found the notion of that interesting, ergo the thread.

I heard a similar piece from an ex CIA guy the other night, he said something pretty similar.

To the bold. Im not sure why you would want to plan it that way. I don't think its calculated at all, just sloppy.

 

[utvolpj]

could be that the mouthpiece is not very good at his job

Jay Carney is floundering under pressure, say Washington insiders – Telegraph Blogs

This is a pivotal moment in Barack Obama’s presidency, a moment when the eyes of the world are locked on Washington. In the global battle for hearts and minds, it is essential that the leader of the free world exudes an air of calm authority at this time. Yet the White House’s handling of the media in the aftermath of Sunday’s events has been breathtakingly amateurish, planting seeds of doubt about the legality of the operation and about Osama bin Laden’s death that would not otherwise be there.

 

[BeecherVol]

Carney has struggled, but Im not sure that is altogether his fault.

 

[hndog609]

I've always really disliked retracted or modified statements after the fact. President/co-worker/girlfriend doesn't matter. If your story changes I'm less keen on the accuracy of any of it. That doesn't necessarily mean somebody is lying, they may have simply said something stupid or straight up didn't know what they were talking about but in any case it doesn't really inspire confidence.

 

[MontereyVol]

It was a witnessed by a bunch of people who probably have never been even close to combat trying to explain what they were seeing aka "the fog of war". In a decade or so when some retired Seal writes a book on it you will know what happened.

 

[droski]

It was a witnessed by a bunch of people who probably have never been even close to combat trying to explain what they were seeing aka "the fog of war". In a decade or so when some retired Seal writes a book on it you will know what happened.

this is my assumption as well. because of the short turnaround i bet those who watched the video wrote the press release and then when the seals were debriefed the truth came out. edit: i could see how in a 2 d world it could look like he was using his wife as a shield.