Criticism of trump over Puerto Rico.

[n_huffhines]

E. Puerto Ricans

Yeah, it's the people's fault that the power is going to be out for 6 months.

Do you get off on feeling like other people get what they deserve?

When people unfairly lump all conservatives into this group of uncaring, self-serving, greedy POS's, they are doing it because of attitudes like this.

 

[hog88]

Yeah, it's the people's fault that the power is going to be out for 6 months.

Do you get off on feeling like other people get what they deserve?

When people unfairly lump all conservatives into this group of uncaring, self-serving, greedy POS's, they are doing it because of attitudes like this.

It is. You get what you pay for and are willing to put up with.

 

[n_huffhines]

It is. You get what you pay for and are willing to put up with.

So everybody who ever had bad government deserved it? Genocidal governments? You're going to tell people that's on them for putting up with it.

JFC, dude. This is absolutely ridiculous. Puerto Ricans have almost no say on the federal laws that hurt them and you know how local politics work...the people have some say, but only so much.

 

[hog88]

So everybody who ever had bad government deserved it? Genocidal governments? You're going to tell people that's on them for putting up with it.

JFC, dude. This is absolutely ridiculous. Puerto Ricans have almost no say on the federal laws that hurt them and you know how local politics work...the people have some say, but only so much.

Getting a little hysterical here Suzie.

PR has been a democracy for how many years? So yeah, their bad government is the fault of the people who have voted for it. You would need to point out what federal laws/regulations affected their power grid down there for your argument to work.

 

[n_huffhines]

Getting a little hysterical here Suzie.

PR has been a democracy for how many years? So yeah, their bad government is the fault of the people who have voted for it. You would need to point out what federal laws/regulations affected their power grid down there for your argument to work.

I guess nobody watched the video that you guys are refuting...

 

[hog88]

I guess nobody watched the video that you guys are refuting...

Correct, I didn't.

 

[1972 Grad]

So everybody who ever had bad government deserved it? Genocidal governments? You're going to tell people that's on them for putting up with it.

JFC, dude. This is absolutely ridiculous. Puerto Ricans have almost no say on the federal laws that hurt them and you know how local politics work...the people have some say, but only so much.

You should go on a one man crusade to fix all the world's problems.

 

[n_huffhines]

Correct, I didn't.

Of course you didn't and still haven't. You don't want to know that people suffer at no fault of their own. You want to ignorantly claim they somehow voted for this.

 

[n_huffhines]

You should go on a one man crusade to fix all the world's problems.

You should go on a crusade to find something relevant to say.

 

[Mtntrout]

You should go on a one man crusade to fix all the world's problems.

He just wants to fix all of America's problems.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Yeah, it's the people's fault that the power is going to be out for 6 months.

Do you get off on feeling like other people get what they deserve?

When people unfairly lump all conservatives into this group of uncaring, self-serving, greedy POS's, they are doing it because of attitudes like this.

I didn't say they deserve it. However the only people they have to blame are themselves.

A work-shy culture has been fostered for decades that has led to this.

Questions to ask. What are their power sources? Who ran the power lines? Where are the workers who maintain those facilities and lines?

 

[1972 Grad]

You should go on a crusade to find something relevant to say.

It sounds like I just did since I elicited that response from you.

 

[hog88]

Of course you didn't and still haven't. You don't want to know that people suffer at no fault of their own. You want to ignorantly claim they somehow voted for this.

No, I can't watch that video until sometime tonight. How about a brief summary?

 

[n_huffhines]

I didn't say they deserve it. However the only people they have to blame are themselves.

A work-shy culture has been fostered for decades that has led to this.

Questions to ask. What are their power sources? Who ran the power lines? Where are the workers who maintain those facilities and lines?

The video talks about all this...you know, the video you are refuting?

 

[n_huffhines]

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No, I can't watch that video until sometime tonight. How about a brief summary?

You really should watch it, because the details help give the summary more context.

It basically boils down to PR declaring bankruptcy 6 months ago, but here is what led to that:

The federal government long ago made imported goods more expensive...84% of their food is imported...it's crazy expensive to live there. This means it does not make sense to do business in PR.

So why did people do business in PR? Because the federal government gave them tax breaks. This helped to grow their economy. In 1996, we ended the federal tax breaks in PR that resulted in a mass exodus of business and then people.

This resulted in PR's government raising a hell of a lot less tax revenue, so they raised taxes to keep up with debt.

That resulted in more Puerto Ricans leaving. Now more live outside PR than in it because it turns out they do actually want to work, so they moved to the mainland. This makes it even harder for PR to pay off debt.

Energy is also imported and their infrastructure is completely outdated (and now understaffed), so the federal government and local government both share blame here.

Their economy has been in complete tail spin since 2006.

 

[MG1968]

I've mentioned this before, but the closure of Roosevelt Roads hurt PR as well.

 

[hog88]

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You really should watch it, because the details help give the summary more context.

It basically boils down to PR declaring bankruptcy 6 months ago, but here is what led to that:

The federal government long ago made imported goods more expensive...84% of their food is imported...it's crazy expensive to live there. This means it does not make sense to do business in PR.

So why did people do business in PR? Because the federal government gave them tax breaks. This helped to grow their economy. In 1996, we ended the federal tax breaks in PR that resulted in a mass exodus of business and then people.

This resulted in PR's government raising a hell of a lot less tax revenue, so they raised taxes to keep up with debt.

That resulted in more Puerto Ricans leaving. Now more live outside PR than in it because it turns out they do actually want to work, so they moved to the mainland. This makes it even harder for PR to pay off debt.

Energy is also imported and their infrastructure is completely outdated (and now understaffed), so the federal government and local government both share blame here.

Their economy has been in complete tail spin since 2006.

Ok I watched your video and my argument remains the same. There were only two points in the video where the federal government has had a hand. The Jones act which was passed about 30 years prior to PR voting to become a US colony and the Clinton’s 1996 tax bill which stripped the tax advantages from corporations in PR.

Everything else lays at the feet of the PR voters.

 

[n_huffhines]

Ok I watched your video and my argument remains the same. There were only two points in the video where the federal government has had a hand. The Jones act which was passed about 30 years prior to PR voting to become a US colony and the Clinton’s 1996 tax bill which stripped the tax advantages from corporations in PR.

Everything else lays at the feet of the PR voters.

Yeah, except for a few very impactful things that ****ed them no matter what they did, the blame indirectly falls on the PR voters.

It's almost like you've never seen democracy in action before...

Did people voting for Trump want war with Korea? Because they might get that. Would that be on them?

 

[hog88]

Yeah, except for a few very impactful things that ****ed them no matter what they did, the blame indirectly falls on the PR voters.

It's almost like you've never seen democracy in action before...

Did people voting for Trump want war with Korea? Because they might get that. Would that be on them?

When PR voted to become a territory the Jones act was in place, the same Jones act that applies to both HI and AK so let's just rule that one out. Second why should corporations get tax advantages for moving operations to PR from the mainland? Come on Huff, how has the federal government screwed PR?

Now you are being a hysterical child.

 

[n_huffhines]

When PR voted to become a territory the Jones act was in place, the same Jones act that applies to both HI and AK so let's just rule that one out. Second why should corporations get tax advantages for moving operations to PR from the mainland? Come on Huff, how has the federal government screwed PR?

Now you are being a hysterical child.

I just wasn't thinking it through and didn't realize the Jones Act didn't apply to them before that. You got me. They all deserve to be in the dark because their dead grandparents voted to become American.

 

[armchair]

Has there been corruption in the award of a contract to fix PR's electrical system? Apparently so, as a $300 million contract for electrical repairs and restructuring in PR has been given to a tiny company in Montana that has 2 employees and $200,000 in revenues. Turns out the company, named Whitefish, is in the home town of Interior Secretary Zinke, another of the Trump cabinet proles and a man accused of using public tax dollars to fly around on private business. Turns out that a major contributor to Trump's campaign is either an investor or executive (or both) in Whitefish. Shady? Extremely.

Tiny Montana Firm Wins $300M Puerto Rico Electricity Contract - The Daily Beast

 

[Septic]

Has there been corruption in the award of a contract to fix PR's electrical system? Apparently so, as a $300 million contract for electrical repairs and restructuring in PR has been given to a tiny company in Montana that has 2 employees and $200,000 in revenues. Turns out the company, named Whitefish, is in the home town of Interior Secretary Zinke, another of the Trump cabinet proles and a man accused of using public tax dollars to fly around on private business. Turns out that a major contributor to Trump's campaign is either an investor or executive (or both) in Whitefish. Shady? Extremely.

Tiny Montana Firm Wins $300M Puerto Rico Electricity Contract - The Daily Beast

LOL, draining the swamp.

Will Zinke be the next lizard thrown out?

 

[FLVOL_79]

The video talks about all this...you know, the video you are refuting?

I didn't watch any video. I don't have to. I already posted a decade old link to an article in the economist that spells out their problems..

 

[FLVOL_79]

Has there been corruption in the award of a contract to fix PR's electrical system? Apparently so, as a $300 million contract for electrical repairs and restructuring in PR has been given to a tiny company in Montana that has 2 employees and $200,000 in revenues. Turns out the company, named Whitefish, is in the home town of Interior Secretary Zinke, another of the Trump cabinet proles and a man accused of using public tax dollars to fly around on private business. Turns out that a major contributor to Trump's campaign is either an investor or executive (or both) in Whitefish. Shady? Extremely.

Tiny Montana Firm Wins $300M Puerto Rico Electricity Contract - The Daily Beast

1. You have zero idea how business works, or government contracts.

2. The PR government who hates Trump awarded this contract...

3. Guess Tesla balked at the idea of doing it for free..

4. The move "baffles congress" because PR has about 50 year track record of totally sh!!ty financial decisions. It isn't going to stop now.

But lets revisit point 1. Lets say you want to clean toilets at a government facility highchair. You place a bid, a low, low, bid. You win. You then subcontract (google it) the work out..That is how its done. Take your fake rage somewhere else.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Im about to go down to PR to assist in relief efforts. Gonna put me up in a Casino near the airport...hahahaha CHA CHING!