Cronan wants Serrano?

#2
#2
I wouldn't make much out of that...the argument has been going on here for two weeks. KNS late to the game, no new info imo.
 
#5
#5
Whatever Cronan wants Cronan gets
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#15
#15
I could care less who makes the decision, although Joan is top notch. A motivated Serrano taking over the baseball program is what we need to elevate the program to the top tier.
 
#16
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Not to toot my horn, but I sad early on that we would know who the leader was by how the job posting was written.

It was clearly written with Dave Serrano in mind but that was prior to the "shuffling" at the school and athletic department.

Had Hamilton stayed, I would be almost 100% sure that it was Serrano's job. With the turnover and rumors I am not that solid.

I think Serrano (who wants the job) is the obvious choice. The thought that Holbrock would recruit the area better argument is not accurate. Those who follow college ball and being recruited know who Serrano is. They don't all know Holbrock.

More importantly, he opens up California kids who will follow Serrano to Tennessee for a chance to play in the SEC
 
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fryeguy93 said:
I think Serrano (who wants the job) is the obvious choice. The thought that Holbrock would recruit the area better argument is not accurate. Those who follow college ball and being recruited know who Serrano is. They don't all know Holbrock.

More importantly, he opens up California kids who will follow Serrano to Tennessee for a chance to play in the SEC
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This roster will need an infusion of JUCO talent to catch up to the league. The best choice is Serrano, however, all else equal, take the coach with the JUCO connection/pipeline.
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#18
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fryeguy93 said:
Not to toot my horn, but I sad early on that we would know who the leader was by how the job posting was written.

It was clearly written with Dave Serrano in mind but that was prior to the "shuffling" at the school and athletic department.

Had Hamilton stayed, I would be almost 100% sure that it was Serrano's job. With the turnover and rumors I am not that solid.

I think Serrano (who wants the job) is the obvious choice. The thought that Holbrock would recruit the area better argument is not accurate. Those who follow college ball and being recruited know who Serrano is. They don't all know Holbrock.

More importantly, he opens up California kids who will follow Serrano to Tennessee for a chance to play in the SEC
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I'm a Serrano fan. Don't underestimate Holbrook's recruiting prowess. Guy is top shelf when it comes to recruiting.

Both he and Serrano could be successful getting top level talent to Knoxville. Which honestly is a pretty tough job.
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NYYVol said:
I'm a Serrano fan. Don't underestimate Holbrook's recruiting prowess. Guy is top shelf when it comes to recruiting.

Both he and Serrano could be successful getting top level talent to Knoxville. Which honestly is a pretty tough job.
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I agree completely. I believe either would be a good hire with Serrano being my first choice.
 
#20
#20
We are competing with Vanderbilt for many players from Tennessee. Is a guy with no degree really a credible when trying to sell a high school players on the academic opportunities at UT? You can either go and play for one of the best baseball teams in the country at one of the best academic institutions in the country or you can go play for the rednecks with that high school guy. I'm not buying what Serrano is selling, but it seems likely that UT will.
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CardassianVol said:
We are competing with Vanderbilt for many players from Tennessee. Is a guy with no degree really a credible when trying to sell a high school players on the academic opportunities at UT? You can either go and play for one of the best baseball teams in the country at one of the best academic institutions in the country or you can go play for the rednecks with that high school guy. I'm not buying what Serrano is selling, but it seems likely that UT will.
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I was unaware the baseball coach served all of the teaching functions for his entire team. Maybe he is capable of introducing them to the academic departments.
 
#22
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Raleigh had a degree. Lot a good that did. If I'm a recruit choosing between Tennessee and Vandy, and the Tennessee Coach says Tennessee is a fine academic institution, we're right up there with Vandy. I'm going to be polite and listen to the rest of the presentation. As soon as Coach leaves I'll look at my folks and say, That guy spreads it on pretty thick huh.

Really, it doesn't matter what we buy or who's doing the selling. Joan is going to decide and nobody can question that she values a degree. I hope it doesn't come down to that issue, but if it does it does.
 
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vol66 said:
Raleigh had a degree. Lot a good that did. If I'm a recruit choosing between Tennessee and Vandy, and the Tennessee Coach says Tennessee is a fine academic institution, we're right up there with Vandy. I'm going to be polite and listen to the rest of the presentation. As soon as Coach leaves I'll look at my folks and say, That guy spreads it on pretty thick huh.
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I am more concerned with the negative recruiting that will be used. Raleigh is irrelevant. Hiring Serrano can and will be viewed by many as a move by a university that doesn't care about academics the way it cares about sports. We will have a baseball coach who can't come across as genuine about the advantages of having a degree, completing your education and helping young men succeed in professions other than baseball. For most players, college is the highest level they will reach and many of the better players choose to go to college for an education and to improve their baseball skills at the same time instead of toiling away in the minors.

UT is a large state university which serves the public with a wide variety of majors, some rated higher than others, and doesn't need the initial party school perception reinforced by showing that a degree isn't important to the school. You can literally be a freshman alcoholic who majors in nothing in the College of Arts and Sciences and drops out after bombing out of the lottery scholarship or you can be a nuclear engineer in a top ten program in the country at UT. UT shouldn't sell itself short if it hopes to compete for the Tennessee kids. The program has hit rock bottom, but hiring a guy just because he can coach baseball isn't the mission of the university.

I do not have anything against Serrano, but I can't support him as the next UT baseball coach unless he is hired and I have no choice but to see how he does. There are good reasons for liking Serrano as a baseball coach, but I sincerely hope that if he is hired he is able to overcome any negative recruiting and not just bring in a lot of guys who can't spell their own names without a tutor and get the program in APR trouble and set us back even more.

I know that the first thing I'd tell a recruit if I were recruiting against Serrano is how the guy bought a degree from a diploma mill and has no business being at a serious university. That approach could easily work at any school in the SEC. What else does UT have to offer a baseball player if not academic opportunities and support? UT has a good academic support system in place for athletes, but you can't take anything said about the academic side of things seriously from a guy that bought a diploma from a joke of an institution just to put it on his resume. We have a last place program that hasn't even made the SEC Tournament in over half a decade. How else do you sell it? We have a stadium that still looks good when empty during your games? Not many recruits will be willing to step into what appears to be a black hole both academically and athletically.
 
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reverseosmosis said:
I was unaware the baseball coach served all of the teaching functions for his entire team. Maybe he is capable of introducing them to the academic departments.
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Young men follow leaders. He has little experience and no credibility academically and cannot lead by example or provide any experienced guidance himself. It is a bad precedent to set unless your team is named the Smokies and has nothing to do with a university.
 
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CardassianVol said:
I am more concerned with the negative recruiting that will be used. Raleigh is irrelevant. Hiring Serrano can and will be viewed by many as a move by a university that doesn't care about academics the way it cares about sports. We will have a baseball coach who can't come across as genuine about the advantages of having a degree, completing your education and helping young men succeed in professions other than baseball. For most players, college is the highest level they will reach and many of the better players choose to go to college for an education and to improve their baseball skills at the same time instead of toiling away in the minors.

UT is a large state university which serves the public with a wide variety of majors, some rated higher than others, and doesn't need the initial party school perception reinforced by showing that a degree isn't important to the school. You can literally be a freshman alcoholic who majors in nothing in the College of Arts and Sciences and drops out after bombing out of the lottery scholarship or you can be a nuclear engineer in a top ten program in the country at UT. UT shouldn't sell itself short if it hopes to compete for the Tennessee kids. The program has hit rock bottom, but hiring a guy just because he can coach baseball isn't the mission of the university.

I do not have anything against Serrano, but I can't support him as the next UT baseball coach unless he is hired and I have no choice but to see how he does. There are good reasons for liking Serrano as a baseball coach, but I sincerely hope that if he is hired he is able to overcome any negative recruiting and not just bring in a lot of guys who can't spell their own names without a tutor and get the program in APR trouble and set us back even more.

I know that the first thing I'd tell a recruit if I were recruiting against Serrano is how the guy bought a degree from a diploma mill and has no business being at a serious university. That approach could easily work at any school in the SEC. What else does UT have to offer a baseball player if not academic opportunities and support? UT has a good academic support system in place for athletes, but you can't take anything said about the academic side of things seriously from a guy that bought a diploma from a joke of an institution just to put it on his resume. We have a last place program that hasn't even made the SEC Tournament in over half a decade. How else do you sell it? We have a stadium that still looks good when empty during your games? Not many recruits will be willing to step into what appears to be a black hole both academically and athletically.
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I get where you're going, and I see your point. I do and I've thought about it, I've thought about many different scenarios that pertain to different walks of life. I've said previously that they shouldn't change the requirements for a HC just to get him here. I believe that. I've also said that maybe Serrano could take classes at UT and that would be enough for me. Personally, that's a big stretch to me, it's an adjustment. In my experience I've seen people that were more qualified than another, lose out over some minimum requirement put in place to weed out candidates.

I get that this is a university. I get that. As you stated, we have the teachers on campus, so a student can get what he needs, whatever that may be. Tennessee is a great place and the most loyal fanbase on earth. As for Serrano selling kids on Tennessee, he could start there. Then he could mention how many times he's made it to the tourney, what going to the CWS is like and how many former players he's put into the big leagues, some who were students at UT when he was an asst.

I see what you're saying and it's a fair stance to take.
 
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