Crowell, Thomas, Malcome suspended for NMSU v. UGA

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I heard Travis on the radio and he actually had some info I didn't know. He said Florida & Georgia allow athletes to fail five drug tests before they get kicked out. Tennessee & Vandy it's three
 
#31
#31
Is there some PARTICULAR reason that these things (one-game suspensions) can't happen before a UT game??? I mean, I'm just asking. Sheesh.
 
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PowerT83 said:
I heard Travis on the radio and he actually had some info I didn't know. He said Florida & Georgia allow athletes to fail five drug tests before they get kicked out. Tennessee & Vandy it's three
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I thought Tennessee had a policy of 4 failed drug tests before being kicked out. Maybe they change their rules, and I forgot about it.
 
#35
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volsfan75 said:
I thought Tennessee had a policy of 4 failed drug tests before being kicked out. Maybe they change their rules, and I forgot about it.
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See I think it's bad to tell a kid how many times they can fail a test, then he knows how far he can test the waters.
 
#36
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Everyone at Buttsmear Hall is swearing up and down that they didn't get the results of the tests back until after the Florida game. It takes 5-7 days for the results to come back, the tests weren't administered until Thursday, etc etc etc.

In other words, what they're claiming means that they just deliberately timed the tests to begin with so that the results would come back after UF and any discipline would have to be handed out for New Mexico State. Which is at least as cynical as knowing the results before UF and waiting to suspend the players afterwards.
 
#37
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They got the test result back on Thurs but the NCAA requires the samples be retest after a positive test so new results came back Monday.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Everyone at Buttsmear Hall is swearing up and down that they didn't get the results of the tests back until after the Florida game. It takes 5-7 days for the results to come back, the tests weren't administered until Thursday, etc etc etc.

In other words, what they're claiming means that they just deliberately timed the tests to begin with so that the results would come back after UF and any discipline would have to be handed out for New Mexico State. Which is at least as cynical as knowing the results before UF and waiting to suspend the players afterwards.
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Maybe this statement by CMR may answer your concern.

“My response is that we’ve always had the utmost integrity in everything we do. We have policies in place in our athletic association that we follow to the T. That’s the case here and it’s been the case since I’ve been at Georgia. We all know that we do our business the way it should be done and we do it with integrity. So people who make comments who don’t know probably shouldn’t, quite frankly, because they don’t know and I’d be able to prove 100 percent they’re wrong. But I’m not going to spend the time doing that. The bottom line is we have rules and we follow them to the T and we have the utmost integrity in how we go about our business. That’s how we’ve built this program since the day I got here and we’re not going to change for any reason.”

I know most people have questions about the timing, and I do understand them, but CMR has been consistent with the proper punishments for the guys who break the rules.
 
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UGA insider said:
Maybe this statement by CMR may answer your concern.

“My response is that we’ve always had the utmost integrity in everything we do. We have policies in place in our athletic association that we follow to the T. That’s the case here and it’s been the case since I’ve been at Georgia. We all know that we do our business the way it should be done and we do it with integrity. So people who make comments who don’t know probably shouldn’t, quite frankly, because they don’t know and I’d be able to prove 100 percent they’re wrong. But I’m not going to spend the time doing that. The bottom line is we have rules and we follow them to the T and we have the utmost integrity in how we go about our business. That’s how we’ve built this program since the day I got here and we’re not going to change for any reason.”

I know most people have questions about the timing, and I do understand them, but CMR has been consistent with the proper punishments for the guys who break the rules.
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How does that quote answer anything? I don't doubt that he's telling the literal truth, but he needs to get off his high horse about it. He's an embattled coach, and the timing of this is so incredibly lucky for him that of course it looks suspicious as hell. This is like a guy coming home a couple of Fridays ago and saying, "Gee, honey, I just happened to drop my iPhone 4 in the toilet at work today, guess I have to go to the Apple store tonight to get one of the new ones." Of course people are going to grill him about it.

They set the testing schedule; they know how long it takes to get results back. Do they test everybody every week? If not, then you really have to work to be gullible enough to believe that the timing of this is a coincidence.
 
#40
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Vercingetorix said:
How does that quote answer anything? I don't doubt that he's telling the literal truth, but he needs to get off his high horse about it. He's an embattled coach, and the timing of this is so incredibly lucky for him that of course it looks suspicious as hell. This is like a guy coming home a couple of Fridays ago and saying, "Gee, honey, I just happened to drop my iPhone 4 in the toilet at work today, guess I have to go to the Apple store tonight to get one of the new ones." Of course people are going to grill him about it.

They set the testing schedule; they know how long it takes to get results back. Do they test everybody every week? If not, then you really have to work to be gullible enough to believe that the timing of this is a coincidence.
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There's the problem right there. Every school decides on their own for the most part. But you have to think about this, UGA and UK are the only SEC schools who will suspend you for a first failed drug test. Many other schools will not suspend you for a first failed drug test.

You can question CMR about this all you want but the AD and PR guy have come out and defended CMR on the timing of the punishments. The AD has no need to defend CMR publicly and he is doing it, that should tell you something.
 
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UGA insider said:
Maybe this statement by CMR may answer your concern.

“My response is that we’ve always had the utmost integrity in everything we do. We have policies in place in our athletic association that we follow to the T. That’s the case here and it’s been the case since I’ve been at Georgia. We all know that we do our business the way it should be done and we do it with integrity. So people who make comments who don’t know probably shouldn’t, quite frankly, because they don’t know and I’d be able to prove 100 percent they’re wrong. But I’m not going to spend the time doing that. The bottom line is we have rules and we follow them to the T and we have the utmost integrity in how we go about our business. That’s how we’ve built this program since the day I got here and we’re not going to change for any reason.”

I know most people have questions about the timing, and I do understand them, but CMR has been consistent with the proper punishments for the guys who break the rules.
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Why not, coach? All it takes to make this story go away is to let a sycophant like Chip Towers write a story about drug testing procedures at UGA. You don't have to name names; you could use hypothetical examples just to illustrate what your policies are. It'd take maybe an hour of your time and a couple of hours for other people in the AD. Why not set the record straight instead of just standing up there blustering about how nobody has the right to question your integrity?
 
#42
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UGA insider said:
There's the problem right there. Every school decides on their own for the most part. But you have to think about this, UGA and UK are the only SEC schools who will suspend you for a first failed drug test. Many other schools will not suspend you for a first failed drug test.

You can question CMR about this all you want but the AD and PR guy have come out and defended CMR on the timing of the punishments. The AD has no need to defend CMR publicly and he is doing it, that should tell you something.
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So? I don't particularly care what the policies are. I don't even blame Richt for arranging the process so that potential suspensions happen on the most convenient week possible. As usual with Richt, it's the dripping sanctimony that's so obnoxious.
 
#43
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Vercingetorix said:
As usual with Richt, it's the dripping sanctimony that's so obnoxious.
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It's funny watching Richt from a Vol perspective. "doing things the Georgia Way" is quickly becoming CMR's equivalent of "work like heck".
 
#44
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Vercingetorix said:
So? I don't particularly care what the policies are. I don't even blame Richt for arranging the process so that potential suspensions happen on the most convenient week possible. As usual with Richt, it's the dripping sanctimony that's so obnoxious.
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Then I understand what your beef is. It seems you just want to take personal shots at CMR, that's fine too.
 
#45
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UGA insider said:
Then I understand what your beef is. It seems you just want to take personal shots at CMR, that's fine too.
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Of course it's fine. Richt is a sanctimonious tool who publicly flaunts his religion while sporting a terrible record of player discipline. It was ugly when it was Fulmer, and Richt is several times more aggressively holy than Fulmer ever was. Now he's been caught gaming the system on his own behalf and his own response is to stand up there and bluster about how nobody has a right to question his integrity. Pathetic, really.

I am, however, glad that he did handle it so opportunistically, because he really needed to beat UF to keep his job, and Tennessee needs Richt to keep that job as long as possible while we rebuild. So good for him.
 
#46
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Vercingetorix said:
Of course it's fine. Richt is a sanctimonious tool who publicly flaunts his religion while sporting a terrible record of player discipline. It was ugly when it was Fulmer, and Richt is several times more aggressively holy than Fulmer ever was. Now he's been caught gaming the system on his own behalf and his own response is to stand up there and bluster about how nobody has a right to question his integrity. Pathetic, really.

I am, however, glad that he did handle it so opportunistically, because he really needed to beat UF to keep his job, and Tennessee needs Richt to keep that job as long as possible while we rebuild. So good for him.
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You're way off and really don't have much of an argument. CMR has been consistent in dealing with the players who break the rules. "Gaming the system." Come on man. The AD has come out and defended CMR. The AD could have used this as more of a reason to get rid of CMR, if there was any wrongdoing.

"UT needs CMR to stay in Athens while you rebuild," really? CMR is 2-0 vs Dooley. You will come in to Athens as an underdog this upcoming year too. That argument is beyond ridiculous. I hope you convince the rest of the UT fans to be very patient with Dooley. Every fanbase in the SEC loves Dooley in K-ville, we hope he stays for a long time.
 
#47
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PowerT83 said:
I heard Travis on the radio and he actually had some info I didn't know. He said Florida & Georgia allow athletes to fail five drug tests before they get kicked out. Tennessee & Vandy it's three
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No wonder recruiting has been down.
 
#48
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UGA insider said:
You're way off and really don't have much of an argument. CMR has been consistent in dealing with the players who break the rules. "Gaming the system." Come on man. The AD has come out and defended CMR. The AD could have used this as more of a reason to get rid of CMR, if there was any wrongdoing.

"UT needs CMR to stay in Athens while you rebuild," really? CMR is 2-0 vs Dooley. You will come in to Athens as an underdog this upcoming year too. That argument is beyond ridiculous. I hope you convince the rest of the UT fans to be very patient with Dooley. Every fanbase in the SEC loves Dooley in K-ville, we hope he stays for a long time.
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You'd expect Richt to be 2-0 against Dooley, considering that he's had nothing but top 10 classes as far back as the eye can see and Dooley started with a roster full of absolute slop. We'll see how it is going forward. All I know is that A) all that HS football talent in Georgia isn't going away, and B) nobody has underachieved in recent years like Mark Richt. The last thing I want to see is Georgia cut Richt loose and bring in a young, dynamic coach who might actually win with all that talent.

As far as gaming the system goes -- if you're seriously able to accept that everything about this situation is completely random, and it could just as easily have been last week before UF instead of this week before NMSU, and that UGA didn't jigger with the test schedule or the timing of it or anything to push any problems after one of the biggest games of Richt's career -- well, then I tip my hat at your capacity for being willfully naive about things that you care about. Hope you're not raising any daughters.
 
#49
#49
You sure the Sensationalist of Nashville isn't making that up?

Heck, didn't Coker fail four or five drug tests before getting kicked off? Britton Colquitt's five DUIs, etc. Personally I think it should be a three-strike system, but I'm not an SEC AD.
 
#50
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Vercingetorix said:
You'd expect Richt to be 2-0 against Dooley, considering that he's had nothing but top 10 classes as far back as the eye can see and Dooley started with a roster full of absolute slop. We'll see how it is going forward. All I know is that A) all that HS football talent in Georgia isn't going away, and B) nobody has underachieved in recent years like Mark Richt. The last thing I want to see is Georgia cut Richt loose and bring in a young, dynamic coach who might actually win with all that talent.

As far as gaming the system goes -- if you're seriously able to accept that everything about this situation is completely random, and it could just as easily have been last week before UF instead of this week before NMSU, and that UGA didn't jigger with the test schedule or the timing of it or anything to push any problems after one of the biggest games of Richt's career -- well, then I tip my hat at your capacity for being willfully naive about things that you care about. Hope you're not raising any daughters.
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Same old talking points. Bottom line is that CMR is 7-4 overall against UT and 2-0 against Dooley, and counting.

As far as being naive, maybe, there's always the chance that something fishy may have happened. But CMR has never had any kind of incident like this in the past that would make me skeptical about him. And again, our AD came out and defended him publicly.

At the end of the day, a rival fan is criticizing CMR's discipline practices while their own team has had issues that were far worse than a few players smoking pot. Big surprise.
 
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