Crowell to Alabama State

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siap - They just said on the news he is transferring to Alabama State and can play this season. That is if he can manage to get probation.
 
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Lol thats a few miles from my house, I may go watch him play, he could dominate that league
 
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I wouldn't be surprised at all for this to plea out to almost nothing or for him to be found not guilty. Looks like he hired a big time defense attorney. Cops said they smelled marijuana, found none. Defense atty will kill them on that. Defense atty will also likely ask each player that was in the car if they saw Crowell with the gun or if they had ever seen him with a gun. They will probably say no, and try to say that someone must have planted it in his car, being that he is a high profile athlete. Still, I doubt it goes to trial and will most likely plea out.
 
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onefesternation said:
I wouldn't be surprised at all for this to plea out to almost nothing or for him to be found not guilty. Looks like he hired a big time defense attorney. Cops said they smelled marijuana, found none. Defense atty will kill them on that. Defense atty will also likely ask each player that was in the car if they saw Crowell with the gun or if they had ever seen him with a gun. They will probably say no, and try to say that someone must have planted it in his car, being that he is a high profile athlete. Still, I doubt it goes to trial and will most likely plea out.
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It's usually not any after you smoke it all. Not being there means nothing

He gave consent. Suppressing the evidence will be nearly impossible.
 
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CountVolcula said:
It's usually not any after you smoke it all. Not being there means nothing

He gave consent. Suppressing the evidence will be nearly impossible.
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Iirc he told the cops they just left somewhere that people were smoking weed also.
 
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He should feel right at home.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U2TvvW-DTU[/youtube]
 
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Big time attorney has offered his services free of charge to the Crowell family. This guy has represented athletes and celebs in the past. Everybody around here seems to think Crowell will get hit with just probation.
 
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CountVolcula said:
It's usually not any after you smoke it all. Not being there means nothing

He gave consent. Suppressing the evidence will be nearly impossible.
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Dude, if the cops say they smelled marijuana, they will look for anything and everything. Traces, residue, rolling papers, and whatever else. Now, I didn't see the full report, but from the media report, it stated that they found nothing.

I didn't say they were going to try and suppress the evidence. You're right, if you give consent and it's there, you're not going to be able to keep it out. But unless they can find some way to tie that gun to him, he could easily say that it's not his, and he's never seen it before. And who knows, it may actually be the truth. Maybe one of the other guys brought it. Maybe it had been in there for a while from someone else and he didn't know about it. I doubt it, but it's all about whether or not they can tie it to him. If not, I can hear it now..."Why would I have given consent to search the car, when I had done nothing wrong and had nothing illegal in the car?" That's why the prosecution won't take this to trial, and he'll get to plea out to almost nothing.
 
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onefesternation said:
Dude, if the cops say they smelled marijuana, they will look for anything and everything. Traces, residue, rolling papers, and whatever else. Now, I didn't see the full report, but from the media report, it stated that they found nothing.

I didn't say they were going to try and suppress the evidence. You're right, if you give consent and it's there, you're not going to be able to keep it out. But unless they can find some way to tie that gun to him, he could easily say that it's not his, and he's never seen it before. And who knows, it may actually be the truth. Maybe one of the other guys brought it. Maybe it had been in there for a while from someone else and he didn't know about it. I doubt it, but it's all about whether or not they can tie it to him. If not, I can hear it now..."Why would I have given consent to search the car, when I had done nothing wrong and had nothing illegal in the car?" That's why the prosecution won't take this to trial, and he'll get to plea out to almost nothing.
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R fingerprints not taken anymore?? I'm no Horacio Cane but seems like CSi 101 to me. If his fingerprints r on it then no excuse. If not then I can see all the excuses/scenarios being thrown out there until one sticks. Especially when u get "free" services from a high powered local attorney. Not shady at all....:ermm:
 
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onefesternation said:
I didn't say they were going to try and suppress the evidence. You're right, if you give consent and it's there, you're not going to be able to keep it out. But unless they can find some way to tie that gun to him, he could easily say that it's not his, and he's never seen it before. And who knows, it may actually be the truth. Maybe one of the other guys brought it. Maybe it had been in there for a while from someone else and he didn't know about it. I doubt it, but it's all about whether or not they can tie it to him. If not, I can hear it now..."Why would I have given consent to search the car, when I had done nothing wrong and had nothing illegal in the car?" That's why the prosecution won't take this to trial, and he'll get to plea out to almost nothing.
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Possession is 9/10 of the law. If that gun was in Crowell's car, and no one else speaks up to claim it, it's his.
 
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So assuming he just gets probation and goes to s Bama to play next yr. would we as Vol fans be ok with cdd recruiting him? I know it depends on where we r at at the position, but besides all that, with his history would it be worth it???

Iirc The Big East has a rule that a player can't transfer from one big east school to another even after a stint at a lower tier school. Would this be something that SEC schools would be comfortable with??

Just wondering that's all...
 
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Oskie Volum said:
So assuming he just gets probation and goes to s Bama to play next yr. would we as Vol fans be ok with cdd recruiting him? I know it depends on where we r at at the position, but besides all that, with his history would it be worth it???

Iirc The Big East has a rule that a player can't transfer from one big east school to another even after a stint at a lower tier school. Would this be something that SEC schools would be comfortable with??

Just wondering that's all...
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I've never been against players leaving UGA and going to any other school they choose. But, after seeing what Mettenberger did, I would not mind seeing CMR stepping with some SEC restrictions.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
R fingerprints not taken anymore?? I'm no Horacio Cane but seems like CSi 101 to me. If his fingerprints r on it then no excuse. If not then I can see all the excuses/scenarios being thrown out there until one sticks. Especially when u get "free" services from a high powered local attorney. Not shady at all....:ermm:
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I said they had to find a way to tie it to him. If his prints are on it, then yeah, that would tie it to him. But none of that has come out yet. Attorneys often times give free services oh high-profile cases, if the person can't afford them. Gets their name out there, and then when other people mess up, they'll think "hey, let's get that guy that represented Crowell." It's a marketing thing, mostly.
 
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bamawriter said:
Possession is 9/10 of the law. If that gun was in Crowell's car, and no one else speaks up to claim it, it's his.
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It's his by the law, but in a trial it's a different story. Prosecutors don't take cases like that to trial, because they lose 9/10 easy, so it's not worth the hassle. It's plenty to get him arrested, but if they can't tie it to him, e.g. fingerprints, like another poster said, then they're probably not going to take it to trial. Unless the head DA is a Georgia Tech alum. :)

Above, I said they lose 9/10 easy. It's normally not that high I would say, but I mean in cases like these where the defendant is being represented by a big, hot shot defense attorney. Unless the DA is hard up over this and wants to make a big show, this one will plea out to some type of probation most likely.
 
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onefesternation said:
I said they had to find a way to tie it to him. If his prints are on it, then yeah, that would tie it to him. But none of that has come out yet. Attorneys often times give free services oh high-profile cases, if the person can't afford them. Gets their name out there, and then when other people mess up, they'll think "hey, let's get that guy that represented Crowell." It's a marketing thing, mostly.
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I understand the marketing part of it. Still doesn't seem less shady when this kid is getting thousands of dollars of free services just cause he is a cfb player. Kids have lost their eligibility for less. I know people have the right to defend themselves the best they can yada yada yada but what's different then the Tat 5 of tOSU getting tats for "marketing"???

Not looking to argue just wondering that's all...
 
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onefesternation said:
It's his by the law, but in a trial it's a different story. Prosecutors don't take cases like that to trial, because they lose 9/10 easy, so it's not worth the hassle. It's plenty to get him arrested, but if they can't tie it to him, e.g. fingerprints, like another poster said, then they're probably not going to take it to trial. Unless the head DA is a Georgia Tech alum. :)
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You have it totally backwards. He's not charged with OWNING a scratched weapon, he's charged with POSSESSING a scratched weapon. The DA does not need to prove Crowell bought the gun, or had the gun given to him. The DA simply needs to prove that he had the gun in his possession, and unless someone comes forward and says "That gun is mine, I brought it into his car, and he had no idea" then it's not going to be a tough case for the DA. Crowell clearly had the gun in his possession.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I understand the marketing part of it. Still doesn't seem less shady when this kid is getting thousands of dollars of free services just cause he is a cfb player. Kids have lost their eligibility for less. I know people have the right to defend themselves the best they can yada yada yada but what's different then the Tat 5 of tOSU getting tats for "marketing"???

Not looking to argue just wondering that's all...
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Tat (pun intended) is definitely an interesting concept. What is the difference between a player being given tattoos, clothing, cars, as opposed to free top of the line legal services? Even if he could not afford an attorney, one would be appointed for him. My guess is the NCAA doesn't want to bark up the tree of players' constitutional rights of getting the best defense they can have in a criminal proceeding. That is definitely interesting though. :good!:
 
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bamawriter said:
You have it totally backwards. He's not charged with OWNING a scratched weapon, he's charged with POSSESSING a scratched weapon. The DA does not need to prove Crowell bought the gun, or had the gun given to him. The DA simply needs to prove that he had the gun in his possession, and unless someone comes forward and says "That gun is mine, I brought it into his car, and he had no idea" then it's not going to be a tough case for the DA. Crowell clearly had the gun in his possession.
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Bama, I realize it was CLEARLY in his POSSESSION, but there is a difference between how lawyers and judges see the law, and how jurors see it. That's how defense attorneys make it in this business. Sure, the gun was in his car. There's no way to dispute that. If it was that open and shut, why would anyone ever even need to hire a defense attorney?

You hire one, because they'll attack the credibility of the officers who "smelled" marijuana but couldn't find any. They'll ask all of the other players in the car if they knew the gun was in the car, or if they had ever seen Crowell with a gun before. They'll find some things Crowell likely did with the team as a part of some type of community project or maybe even talking to a local group of school kids. And how this young man has had to deal with all of this and has been dismissed from the school of his dreams. Now, he just wants to go play football at a smaller college, so that he can get his education. Then, they'll ask the jury, "Do you want to take that away from this young man?"

Who knows? Maybe the jury will find him guilty, but it usually doesn't happen that way, and the DA's office knows it. Why do you think these things plea out all the time? If it's so open and shut, why doesn't the DA just go to over to the courthouse for a half-hour and send the kid to jail? Because it's not that simple.
 
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onefesternation said:
Tat (pun intended) is definitely an interesting concept. What is the difference between a player being given tattoos, clothing, cars, as opposed to free top of the line legal services? Even if he could not afford an attorney, one would be appointed for him. My guess is the NCAA doesn't want to bark up the tree of players' constitutional rights of getting the best defense they can have in a criminal proceeding. That is definitely interesting though. :good!:
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Exactly. Glad you understood my whole "yada yada yada" part. NCAA doesn't want to mess with that part but would be nice if they would figure out a way to say if u get free services from a top dollar attorney instead of a regular "court appointed" one. Maybe things could be different. We complain about these kids haven't a sense of entitlement and doing what they want, but we give them free passes.

Just dont like the hipocrisy when we say "we want these kids to succeed in life without football" when they r treated with kid gloves.
 
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onefesternation said:
Who knows? Maybe the jury will find him guilty, but it usually doesn't happen that way, and the DA's office knows it. Why do you think these things plea out all the time? If it's so open and shut, why doesn't the DA just go to over to the courthouse for a half-hour and send the kid to jail? Because it's not that simple.
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DA's comes to plea agreements for a multitude of reasons, not just because a case might be tough to get past a jury. This case probably will get plead out, but I doubt it's because the DA is worried about acquittal.

As for your theory of the defense: your logic is way off. Crowell has had legal issues before, so the "this is a good kid in a bad situation" argument will have holes in it. And they had been at a party, so it was totally possible for the car to stink of weed without there being any weed. The credibility of the cops wouldn't be damaged by that fact. Plus they did the search by the book, since Crowell gave them permission. As for whether or not any of his friends had ever seen him with a gun: it may help the defense a little. But the DA wouldn't need to prove a prior occurrence in order to prove the current one. He either possessed it or he didn't.

Again, it will probably by plead down, and Crowell will probably just get probation. But either way, he'll have a guilty verdict on his record.
 
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terrypedigo said:
:jpshakehead:He wont do time. Book it.
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I agree as long as his fingerprints arent on the gun, and his lawyers don't figure a way to get that evidence thrown out. The kicker is the altered serial#. If it weren't for that then we may have never heard of this issue, and he would still be on the team.

He also better hope they don't CSI the gun to attach it to any crimes cause then he is in a pickle that's for sure....:ermm:
 
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