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#26
#26
Sabanocchio said:
There really isn't a lot of parity in college football. I don't know what you're getting at there. You're missing the point on the exception to the rule. It doesn't happen very often. When it does, yeah, it's interesting to talk about, but when you start basing arguments on what happens on rare occasions rather than the norm, then you typically end up on the losing end.
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There's more than you think....

Oregon State beats USC
Ole Miss beats Florida
ULoM beats Alabama
Wyoming beat Tennessee
Navy beats Notre Dame
East Carolina beats Boise State
Illinois beating Ohio State
Vandy beating South Carolina
Hell Vandy making bowl and we stay home.

I'm sure I'm missing a few from the past few seasons, but it happens now more than it used to. That's why you see these kids that are highly ranked going to the Wake Forest's of the country.
 
#27
#27
g8terh8ter_eric said:
If the bold statement is true, and you did prove it somewhat in the next sentences, then Notre Dame should be going gangbusters right now with who they have gotten since 2006.

I understand your whole argument, but look at what Frank Beamer has done at Va. Tech with all those 3*s he has gotten and that should end the argument. He's not been in the Top 25 in recruiting since 2006 and he's won back to back ACC Championships AND had some of the toughest defenses in the country.

Coaching trumps recruiting, but great coaching leads to great recruiting 99% of the time.
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We aren't talking about ACC championships here. We are talking about winning national titles. The original post is about national championships. The ACC is weak. Winning an ACC championship is not that big of a deal. What happened when Tech played a legitimate SEC team in LSU? They got butt-stomped. Heck they had losses to the best teams in the conference last year. They lost to BC earlier in the year. You think a four loss SEC team plays in Atlanta for the conference title?
 
#28
#28
g8terh8ter_eric said:
There's more than you think....

Oregon State beats USC
Ole Miss beats Florida
ULoM beats Alabama
Wyoming beat Tennessee
Navy beats Notre Dame
East Carolina beats Boise State
Illinois beating Ohio State
Vandy beating South Carolina
Hell Vandy making bowl and we stay home.

I'm sure I'm missing a few from the past few seasons, but it happens now more than it used to. That's why you see these kids that are highly ranked going to the Wake Forest's of the country.
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That's not parity, friend. Look up the definition. How many times did the team that was supposed to win actually follow through? About 10X for every example you provided. Anything can happen on any given Saturday, but it is a rarity. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth talking about. The NFL has parity. College football does not.

It is more about the landscape of college football changing than it is about anything else. And it doesn't happen more often now than it did in the past. There are always upsets. Always have been -- always will be. The number is no greater now than it's ever been.
 
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#29
#29
Sabanocchio said:
We aren't talking about ACC championships here. We are talking about winning national titles. The original post is about national championships. The ACC is weak. Winning an ACC championship is not that big of a deal. What happened when Tech played a legitimate SEC team in LSU? They got butt-stomped. Heck they had losses to the best teams in the conference last year. They lost to BC earlier in the year. You think a four loss SEC team plays in Atlanta for the conference title?
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Looking at the demographics, it's pretty obvious why those teams won. Look at what states they get to cherry pick for talent. Fulmer won like that in the mid-late 90s. We used to cherry pick who we wanted from almost every state because it was only us and Florida in the SEC that were worth anything. So they cherry pick talent and they have great coaches, for the most part (Miles). It's not a shock to me. I like to see the Boise State's of college football beat the Goliath's of college football like Oklahoma. It's great for the game.
 
#30
#30
Sabanocchio said:
That's not parity, friend. Look up the definition. How many times did the team that was supposed to win actually follow through? About 10X for every example you provided. Anything can happen on any given Saturday, but it is a rarity. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth talking about. The NFL has parity. College football does not.

It is more about the landscape of college football changing than it is about anything else. And it doesn't happen more often now than it did in the past. There are always upsets. Always have been -- always will be. The number is no greater now than it's ever been.
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I do not agree with that statement in bold one bit, but hey, that's just me.
 
#32
#32
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Looking at the demographics, it's pretty obvious why those teams won. Look at what states they get to cherry pick for talent. Fulmer won like that in the mid-late 90s. We used to cherry pick who we wanted from almost every state because it was only us and Florida in the SEC that were worth anything. So they cherry pick talent and they have great coaches, for the most part (Miles). It's not a shock to me. I like to see the Boise State's of college football beat the Goliath's of college football like Oklahoma. It's great for the game.
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F'nig exactly! It comes back to the talent. That's what I've been trying to tell you.
 
#33
#33
Sabanocchio said:
I think you are confused about what constitutes parity. Upsets happen at every level in every sport. That doesn't constitute parity which is an equality among teams.
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It most certainly does. If it about equality Sab, and it is, then it's about being equal on a field when you play someone. Obviously, with the examples I gave and there are other's that I didn't, the winning team was more than equal to the losing team that should have beat them easily. That's sports parity to me. Same thing with college basketball, everyone is equal on the court until the final buzzer.
 
#35
#35
g8terh8ter_eric said:
It most certainly does. If it about equality Sab, and it is, then it's about being equal on a field when you play someone. Obviously, with the examples I gave and there are other's that I didn't, the winning team was more than equal to the losing team that should have beat them easily. That's sports parity to me. Same thing with college basketball, everyone is equal on the court until the final buzzer.
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No, Eric. You're wrong. You're using rare examples to try and say there's parity. If St Thomas Aquinas plays Central Florida 20 times, they beat them once. That's not parity. There are upsets in every sport at every level. That doesn't constitute parity. It's not about what it means to you, because you have the wrong idea about what parity is.
 
#36
#36
Sabanocchio said:
No, Eric. You're wrong. You're using rare examples to try and say there's parity. If St Thomas Aquinas plays Central Florida 20 times, they beat them once. That's not parity. There are upsets in every sport at every level. That doesn't constitute parity. It's not about what it means to you, because you have the wrong idea about what parity is.
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I guess even the experts are wrong about the level of parity in college football being higher now than 20 years ago. Oh well.
 
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