Cuonzo Feeling Unwanted

[OrangeBalls]

Pat Kennedy at Florida State was Dickey's choice, but Alexander forced him to hire either Wade (Wade was from Blount County... same as Lamar) or Leonard Hamilton. Hamilton was the HC at Ok State but had taint all over his @ss from his association with the scandals at Kentucky. Wade had no HC experience but was an excellent recruiter for Denny Crum at Louisville (recent Natty at UK). Alan was committed to Louisville. Kennedy was the hottest candidate in the country. TN basketball history would have been totally different over the last 25+ years had Lamar allowed Dickey to go get his guy.

Yep, Lamar did what Lamar wanted to do. He acted like a politician instead of letting the AD do his job. Joe Johnson was the best president we've had in decades. We've missed his leadership.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Dickey was never known to be a great PR guy. He was a football coach that became AD. He was about as blunt as one could be. He'd be hard pressed to be one in this PC era.

Dickey made many mistakes. Shaklee. Coaching the 1969 Gator Bowl while secretly getting the Florida job. Letting basketball fall apart. "Not an option". Mishandling the Majors to Fulmer transition. But he did keep the SEC office in line and he didn't take **** from the NCAA. And as a UT coach he was one of the best we've ever had.

 

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I've lived through both. My money is on Houston. They were both atrocious. He won 5 games out of a possible 27 his last year. How is that even possible? You could trot out any one of us that could at least equal that. The Houston hire torpedoed the hoops program for many years.

So have I. I'm not a betting man but one has a slightly better winning percentage. One was allowed on the golf course, he even "played through" little old ladies when they got in his way and even after he was no longer at Tennessee he thought he deserved the same treatment making him not only jerk but an entitled one.

The other has a golf tournament every year and guys like Kippy Brown have been associated with it.

Wade Houston Golf Tournament set for July 25 - The Daily Times: Community

 

[OrangeBalls]

Dickey made many mistakes. Shaklee. Coaching the 1969 Gator Bowl while secretly getting the Florida job. Letting basketball fall apart. "Not an option". Mishandling the Majors to Fulmer transition. But he did keep the SEC office in line and he didn't take **** from the NCAA. And as a UT coach he was one of the best we've ever had.

As I said, his PR skills were lacking. He never was the best communicator. Yes, he was pretty good, but I know a lot of people that never forgave him for leaving to go to Fla. He knew the business side of football though. Too bad he treated hoops like a necessary evil. He was completely clueless when it came to it.

 

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Vols Coach Fell In Trap Of Golf Club - tribunedigital-sunsentinel

 

[OrangeBalls]

So have I. I'm not a betting man but one has a slightly better winning percentage. One was allowed on the golf course, he even "played through" little old ladies when they got in his way and even after he was no longer at Tennessee he thought he deserved the same treatment making him not only jerk but an entitled one.

The other has a golf tournament every year and guys like Kippy Brown have been associated with it.

Wade Houston Golf Tournament set for July 25 - The Daily Times: Community

I'm not debating who is the better person. Wade Houston is hands down a better person than Dooley's spoiled, entitled ass ever will be. Wade Houston wasn't cut out for the business of cut throat coaching. He was too much of a nice guy. And you know what they say about them. Yep, they finish last.

As for both of their careers, Dooley coached in one of the toughest times of the SEC. SEC hoops has never been on par with SEC football. It's harder to win in SEC football than it is SEC hoops. Hell, especially with a number of cupcake games out of a 27 game schedule. They lost to the likes of Western Carolina. I still can't believe that 5 win season.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Yep, Lamar did what Lamar wanted to do. He acted like a politician instead of letting the AD do his job. Joe Johnson was the best president we've had in decades. We've missed his leadership.

Andy Holt was an outstanding prez.

I've been advised by a rock solid source that Lamar also used his executive powers to hand out administrative jobs as political favors. Some required doctorates... so several cronies were fast tracked to earn EDDs in order to get them on the payroll. Lamar is a perfect example of why politics are broken these days (Al Gore too for the right wingers), but that is a discussion for the Political Forum.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I'm not debating who is the better person. Wade Houston is hands down a better person than Dooley's spoiled, entitled ass ever will be. Wade Houston wasn't cut out for the business of cut throat coaching. He was too much of a nice guy. And you know what they say about them. Yep, they finish last.

As for both of their careers, Dooley coached in one of the toughest times of the SEC. SEC hoops has never been on par with SEC football. It's harder to win in SEC football than it is SEC hoops. Hell, especially with a number of cupcake games out of a 27 game schedule. They lost to the likes of Western Carolina. I still can't believe that 5 win season.

Wade should have been let go after year four for his own good. Take away the 5-22 and his winning percentage would have been much better than Dooley's. Wade was a package deal with Alan, but same as it was PC to hire him in the first place... it would have been too tacky to blow him out out as soon as Alan exhausted his eligibility. 101-40 in Alan's last game should have been the end. I wonder who would have been the coach instead of O'Neil had it gone down a year earlier.

I heard that Alan usually ran practices. Wade was basically a 9 to 5 coach.

 

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I'm not debating who is the better person. Wade Houston is hands down a better person than Dooley's spoiled, entitled ass ever will be. Wade Houston wasn't cut out for the business of cut throat coaching. He was too much of a nice guy. And you know what they say about them. Yep, they finish last.

As for both of their careers, Dooley coached in one of the toughest times of the SEC. SEC hoops has never been on par with SEC football. It's harder to win in SEC football than it is SEC hoops. Hell, especially with a number of cupcake games out of a 27 game schedule. They lost to the likes of Western Carolina. I still can't believe that 5 win season.

LOL, well if they both suck as coaches don't you move on to the next category? Although I realize that winning is all that matters to some, it's college sports, not the NFL or NBA.

And before I go further, Martin got treated worse than Houston who won 19 games, one time. Dooley didn't suffer through a petition even though he had a future NFL team on the offensive side of the ledger. Hell, at least Jerry Green and Kevin O'Neil (never had a winning season) gave a reason for the fan base to turn with their public comments.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Wade should have been let go after year four for his own good. Take away the 5-22 and his winning percentage would have been much better than Dooley's. Wade was a package deal with Alan, but same as it was PC to hire him in the first place... it would have been too tacky to blow him out out as soon as Alan exhausted his eligibility. 101-40 in Alan's last game should have been the end. I wonder who would have been the coach instead of O'Neil had it gone down a year earlier.

I heard that Alan usually ran practices. Wade was basically a 9 to 5 coach.

I don't disagree there. If he would've been fired after the fourth season then Dooley would've won in a landslide. Neither wanted to spend time doing the hard part of the job and that was recruiting. Alan single handedly won us a lot of games. After he left, Wade was exposed even more.

I didn't put much faith in Dickey finding a suitable replacement. He could've cared less.

 

[OrangeBalls]

LOL, well if they both suck as coaches don't you move on to the next category? Although I realize that winning is all that matters to some, it's college sports, not the NFL or NBA.

And before I go further, Martin got treated worse than Houston who won 19 games, one time. Dooley didn't suffer through a petition even though he had a future NFL team on the offensive side of the ledger. Hell, at least Jerry Green and Kevin O'Neil (never had a winning season) gave a reason for the fan base to turn with their public comments.

Why should you move on to the other category? You're going to worry about what kind of person a guy is as a head coach? A college coach is paid to win games and hopefully graduate players. Period. Big time college sports is more about wins. This isn't Div II or III sports. What kind of person he is doesn't really matter unless he starts to fail. If he's an a-hole, then he'll have a shorter leash. If he's a nice guy, then he'll buy himself some time. Eventually, the losses will do him in.

How did Martin get treated worse? Because some fans created an online petititon? How do you know that fans wouldn't have created one if the internet existed back when Houston was coach? What about message boards and social media? You think it wouldn't have been just as bad? I'm calling bullsh*t on that. I vividly remember talk shows roasting Houston during his last year. That is all we had back then and there were a number of people who were disgruntled during that time.

 

[OrangeBalls]

What some people are forgetting is that there were (and still are) some people that wanted Pearl back no matter what. If Cuonzo had won more, who knows if they would've started a petition. If any other coach (white, black, mexican, etc.) with similar results as Cuonzo was coach, I honestly believe that a petition would've still been started because people saw that Pearl was going to be available and they wanted to see him rehired. It didn't matter who was our coach. They wanted Pearl back on the sideline. Obviously, forgetting the fact that the admin who fired him were still in charge.

 

[vol66]

Why should you move on to the other category? You're going to worry about what kind of person a guy is as a head coach? A college coach is paid to win games and hopefully graduate players. Period. Big time college sports is more about wins. This isn't Div II or III sports. What kind of person he is doesn't really matter unless he starts to fail. If he's an a-hole, then he'll have a shorter leash. If he's a nice guy, then he'll buy himself some time. Eventually, the losses will do him in.

How did Martin get treated worse? Because some fans created an online petititon? How do you know that fans wouldn't have created one if the internet existed back when Houston was coach? What about message boards and social media? You think it wouldn't have been just as bad? I'm calling bullsh*t on that. I vividly remember talk shows roasting Houston during his last year. That is all we had back then and there were a number of people who were disgruntled during that time.

We come from different angles I guess. I think the number one job of a coach in grade school, high school and college is to develop the players as athletes and as men or women.

The NCAA maintains standards of eligibility, which has little to do with graduating, so a coach that cares about his/her players at the college level he/she has to set the standard, for Pat Summitt, the standard is high, 100%.

That's one part of building a program. I guess most don't care about it. Pearl and Tyndall took risks and then didn't watch the store. My own opinion of Pearl differs greatly from the majority I suppose, but I was not proud of the programs under either he nor Kiffin. We were headed down the same road as Meyer at UF, though it didn't come out until he left UF. It's not enough to win, it's how you go about it.

Martin had big shoes to fill like Warlick and a lot of fans thought she was the wrong choice after year one and called for her head.

It takes time, at least that's my view. Many would sacrifice the time for wins and a program that's nothing to be proud of. It's more, it just is.

 

[OrangeBalls]

We come from different angles I guess. I think the number one job of a coach in grade school, high school and college is to develop the players as athletes and as men or women.

The NCAA maintains standards of eligibility, which has little to do with graduating, so a coach that cares about his/her players at the college level he/she has to set the standard, for Pat Summitt, the standard is high, 100%.

That's one part of building a program. I guess most don't care about it. Pearl and Tyndall took risks and then didn't watch the store. My own opinion of Pearl differs greatly from the majority I suppose, but I was not proud of the programs under either he nor Kiffin. We were headed down the same road as Meyer at UF, though it didn't come out until he left UF. It's not enough to win, it's how you go about it.

Martin had big shoes to fill like Warlick and a lot of fans thought she was the wrong choice after year one and called for her head.

It takes time, at least that's my view. Many would sacrifice the time for wins and a program that's nothing to be proud of. It's more, it just is.

In an ideal world, yes, you want to see that happen even more so in grade school and high school. However, in big time college sports, that ship has sailed for the most part. There are too many huge coaching contracts, tv contracts and money to be made. Coaches know that going in though. That is why they are paid handsomely. They know they might be fired within 2-3 years and their agent works them up a nice safety net.

Pearl recruited some less than desirable players, but he was recruiting from the same cesspool as the rest of the big time programs. His transgressions are nothing compared to what Jim Boeheim, Larry Brown, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino and Jim Calhoun have done. Yet, they haven't gotten near the punishment. The NCAA is a joke. Always has been and always gives out their punishment on a whim. But that's for another thread on another day.

 

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In an ideal world, yes, you want to see that happen even more so in grade school and high school. However, in big time college sports, that ship has sailed for the most part. There are too many huge coaching contracts, tv contracts and money to be made. Coaches know that going in though. That is why they are paid handsomely. They know they might be fired within 2-3 years and their agent works them up a nice safety net.

Pearl recruited some less than desirable players, but he was recruiting from the same cesspool as the rest of the big time programs. His transgressions are nothing compared to what Jim Boeheim, Larry Brown, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino and Jim Calhoun have done. Yet, they haven't gotten near the punishment. The NCAA is a joke. Always has been and always gives out their punishment on a whim. But that's for another thread on another day.

Ah, the "everybody does it" argument. I'll accept your premise that winning is all that matters if you'll accept mine.

We aren't a blue blood program and when we hire black sheep like Pearl and Tyndall we are simply asking for it. When you hire an up and comer like Martin who some say is "too clean" for maybe his own good and he wins and you don't try your best to retain him, the college basketball hierarchy frowns on you.

This is how we lost Michael White and ended up with Tyndall to a certain degree. My own personal view is that Hart played hard ball and had no other options, thus Tyndall got a six year deal which is all White wanted.

UF hired White a year later, 6 years at 2 million a year. We hired Barnes at 2.25 million for 6 years after the Tyndall blunder and a stroke of luck.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Ah, the "everybody does it" argument. I'll accept your premise that winning is all that matters if you'll accept mine.

We aren't a blue blood program and when we hire black sheep like Pearl and Tyndall we are simply asking for it. When you hire an up and comer like Martin who some say is "too clean" for maybe his own good and he wins and you don't try your best to retain him, the college basketball hierarchy frowns on you.

This is how we lost Michael White and ended up with Tyndall to a certain degree. My own personal view is that Hart played hard ball and had no other options, thus Tyndall got a six year deal which is all White wanted.

So, you don't think Pearl was recruiting the same players that other schools were? Go look up which schools were recruiting Bobby Maze, Tyler Smith, Duke Crews and Ramar Smith. Hell, look up who J.P. Prince about signed with (it rhymes with Candy) and he would've if they would've accepted mid-term transfers.

Paint Pearl any way you want, but he's now at Auburn and building a winner there. Check his recruiting. He did his time for something not even remotely as bad as the other coaches I listed and landed a Div I job of which most people, myself included, didn't think he would right off the bat. Once he starts winning at Auburn, and he will, then he'll bolt for a bigger and better job.

And tell us what exactly Martin has won? A Missouri Valley conference title? Anything else? High times indeed. As I've said before, he better get a really good X's and O's asst coach because his in game coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Always has.

College basketball and college basketball recruiting is one of the sleaziest jobs in the world. For you to act like everyone should be squeaky clean is ludicrous. Good luck with that. Everyone cheats to an extent. Everyone. I'll even link the Parrish article below so you'll get some background on what Tyndall faced after he was fired. Check Boeheim and Williams' recent transgressions. They're two of the bluest of the blue bloods and they cheat their asses off.

Ex-Tennessee coach Donnie Tyndall: 'I'm not giving up on my dream' - CBSSports.com

To a man, basically without exception, folks have been helpful.

Encouraging, even.

Especially other college coaches.

"Guys have been good," Tyndall said. "Because they all know ..."

Tyndall didn't complete his thought, but the implication was clear. When he said they all know, what he meant is they all know they could theoretically be him because, at the high-major level, let's be honest, almost nobody is squeaky clean -- proof being that there are only six active Hall of Fame coaches, and three of them (UNC's Roy Williams, SMU's Larry Brown and Syracuse's Jim Boeheim) have endured recent NCAA investigations while another (Kentucky's John Calipari) will forever be tagged with two vacated Final Fours.

"So nobody is trying to be holier than thou," Tyndall said.

I'll also link another story about a former player you probably despise since you probably think Tyler Smith was a thug.

Tyler Smith hasn’t let 2010 incident at Tennessee define him - GoVolsXtra Story

 

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So, you don't think Pearl was recruiting the same players that other schools were? Go look up which schools were recruiting Bobby Maze, Tyler Smith, Duke Crews and Ramar Smith. Hell, look up who J.P. Prince about signed with (it rhymes with Candy) and he would've if they would've accepted mid-term transfers.

Paint Pearl any way you want, but he's now at Auburn and building a winner there. Check his recruiting. He did his time for something not even remotely as bad as the other coaches I listed and landed a Div I job of which most people, myself included, didn't think he would right off the bat. Once he starts winning at Auburn, and he will, then he'll bolt for a bigger and better job.

And tell us what exactly Martin has won? A Missouri Valley conference title? Anything else? High times indeed. As I've said before, he better get a really good X's and O's asst coach because his in game coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Always has.

College basketball and college basketball recruiting is one of the sleaziest jobs in the world. For you to act like everyone should be squeaky clean is ludicrous. Good luck with that. Everyone cheats to an extent. Everyone. I'll even link the Parrish article below so you'll get some background on what Tyndall faced after he was fired. Check Boeheim and Williams' recent transgressions. Their two of the bluest of the blue bloods and they cheat their asses off.

Ex-Tennessee coach Donnie Tyndall: 'I'm not giving up on my dream' - CBSSports.com

I'll also link another story about a former player you probably despise since you probably think Tyler Smith was a thug.

Tyler Smith hasn’t let 2010 incident at Tennessee define him - GoVolsXtra Story

I really resent the tone of the last comment.

I don't watch UT football games to see the head coach screaming until he is purple in the face. I watch them to see how Kerbyson, Hall, Jones, the Passtronaut and others do.

I don't need the head basketball coach to get a technical foul for pleading his case, and by the way Tyndall didn't get one, nor did I hear anyone requesting it. It's not a sign of how much the coach cares, it's a sign he can't handle adversity.

I don't fault players for coming here with baggage, but I certainly fault coaches who bring in players to win games for the sole purpose of winning games and unleashing them into a campus atmosphere that they only care about when it suits their needs.

I've spent my fair share of time in the basketball forum so I think I'm well aware of the sleaze that is college basketball and I've also followed everything at USM quite closely and how former coach Tyndall "BUILT" his program. So yeah, by rule he couldn't get away with that crap here because the SE C doesn't allow prop 48 players and I'm sure UT compliance was all up his butt...as they should have been considering our recent past with the NCAA and his...you know because he was properly vetted in the 24 hour period after Mike White turned us down. hahahehehaha.

I've seen UK posters on this board talk about the one and done in a negative way. Even they acknowledge what it has done to the college game.

Are they going to denounce it? No. But do they recognize the problems that exist, yes, they do.

I respect your opinion. You said that your opinion of Wade Houston might be different if he was fired after year 4, Martin did as well or better and you didn't want him around for year four. So isn't that worse treatment?

Maze went to OU and was released, he went to Hutchinson before ending up at UT, don't know who recruited him after that and he's tried very hard to get a celebrity tournament off the ground here in Knoxville the past few years. I think it's great!

Tyler Smith originally signed with the college power house Iowa (Steve Alford) after a year at Hargraves. Released when Alford went to New Mexico to play closer to home.

Crews ended up at Bowie state after being dismissed from Tennessee though he could have gone to UNC Charlotte, maybe Pitt if I recall...

Yeah...Ramar...I bet Tyler loves him some Ramar Smith.

 

[OrangeBalls]

I really resent the tone of the last comment.

I don't watch UT football games to see the head coach screaming until he is purple in the face. I watch them to see how Kerbyson, Hall, Jones, the Passtronaut and others do.

I don't need the head basketball coach to get a technical foul for pleading his case, and by the way Tyndall didn't get one, nor did I hear anyone requesting it. It's not a sign of how much the coach cares, it's a sign he can't handle adversity.

I don't fault players for coming here with baggage, but I certainly fault coaches who bring in players to win games for the sole purpose of winning games and unleashing them into a campus atmosphere that they only care about when it suits their needs.

I've spent my fair share of time in the basketball forum so I think I'm well aware of the sleaze that is college basketball and I've also followed everything at USM quite closely and how former coach Tyndall "BUILT" his program. So yeah, by rule he couldn't get away with that crap here because the SE C doesn't allow prop 48 players and I'm sure UT compliance was all up his butt...as they should have been considering our recent past with the NCAA and his...you know because he was properly vetted in the 24 hour period after Mike White turned us down. hahahehehaha.

I've seen UK posters on this board talk about the one and done in a negative way. Even they acknowledge what it has done to the college game.

Are they going to denounce it? No. But do they recognize the problems that exist, yes, they do.

I respect your opinion. You said that your opinion of Wade Houston might be different if he was fired after year 4, Martin did as well or better and you didn't want him around for year four. So isn't that worse treatment?

Maze went to OU and was released, he went to Hutchinson before ending up at UT, don't know who recruited him after that and he's tried very hard to get a celebrity tournament off the ground here in Knoxville the past few years. I think it's great!

Tyler Smith originally signed with the college power house Iowa (Steve Alford) after a year at Hargraves. Released when Alford went to New Mexico to play closer to home.

Crews ended up at Bowie state after being dismissed from Tennessee though he could have gone to UNC Charlotte, maybe Pitt if I recall...

Yeah...Ramar...I bet Tyler loves him some Ramar Smith.

Well I figured since you continue to take potshots at Pearl's recruits and him being a "black sheep" then you would've appreciated that comment. You can't have it both ways. There were only a few true bad apples that Pearl recruited. One got busted with crack and the other was Ramar Smith. He was bad news from day one and the reason Tyler Smith had a gun. Of course, most people don't know the backstory to that, but it seems you do so I don't have to go into detail. I'm betting if Pearl had a chance to do it over then he would've never recruited him. However, a number of schools were after him. Maze was recruited by Ky too but signed with UT.

Big time college sports is about winning and not much of anything else whether you want to accept it or not. It doesn't mean I agree with it or condone it, but it's reality. In a perfect world, everyone would graduate and get a degree. However, you can't fault someone for leaving early and getting more money in 1 year in pro sports then they'll get in a lifetime having a regular job.

And I never said that my opinion would've changed about Houston if he was fired after year 4. I said that Dooley would've been the worst coach we've hired if we had fired Houston after his 4th year. His 5th year proved to me that he was the worst coach we've hired. He was a horrible coach and was exposed even more in year 5 after his son left. He was a guy that was not a head coach. That's why he went into private business after he was fired and never was a head coach again.

As for Martin, I wanted him to have a 4th year because we needed the stability. We didn't need another coaching change. However, when it was apparent that he was flirting with other schools and eventually signed with Cal then it was obvious he didn't want to be here anymore. Now it's water under the bridge.

 

[butchna]

I was pro-Cuonzo for the most part and thought the petition was stupid. The guy was mediocre here, had a late rum after barely getting in tourney, went to interview for another job under guise of recruiting, turned fans against players, and continues to allow an entire city and fanbase to be labeled racists because he couldn't handle criticism for underperforming. Add to that he left the cupboard bare. I have turned anti-Cuonzo since he left. The "good man" talk is old. By most accounts he is, but he isn't blameless and he is handling this like a whiny little kid. He was never in danger, nor was his family. Facts.

I have an issue with the characterization of the petition as part of a widespread movement. Some guy puts it in that petition site and people click on it. It was linked on here and I clicked on it. It asked if Cuonzo wasn't retained would I be in favor of extending an offer to Bruce Pearl...I clicked yes and went through my normal day. Only later was I made aware that I was a part of some mindless racist cartel that our HC had to hire security against. The petition wasn't a DECISION people! It was an internet click site. Closer to the dumb polls we have on here and other sports related sites than to an instrument of change. It's become a crutch for self haters and race baiters who can't actually be bothered to review the damn thing. People hoisting the great person mantra on Zo are full of it. He's not a TERRIBLE person he bravely fought cancer, seems to be a good family man and he has his classy moments...but he's a professional victim who can't take the high road...in short he's no Tony Dungy.

 

[k-town_king]

Yea he's a professional victim. He made people call his wife and threaten her. Sounds legit.

Of course when a journalist covers a story he will ask questions. Things happened, he tells them, they write about it. If it never happened it would be nothing to write about. It did. The truth hurts. If it wasn't you, then great. Shut up about it. Stop acting like it didn't happen though.

 

[butchna]

Yea he's a professional victim. He made people call his wife and threaten her. Sounds legit.

Of course when a journalist covers a story he will ask questions. Things happened, he tells them, they write about it. If it never happened it would be nothing to write about. It did. The truth hurts. If it wasn't you, then great. Shut up about it. Stop acting like it didn't happen though.

No...I'm going to go with my instincts on it...I don't think he MADE anybody call her. I think it was an idiot who had access to a phone while he was selling blood. An amateur victim would have chalked it up to an idiot being a idiot. The PROFESSIONAL turns it into a weeping look at me biopic. Sure it happened...the reaction was a cry for attention. Keep pretending.

 

[RikidyBones]

Yea he's a professional victim. He made people call his wife and threaten her. Sounds legit.

Of course when a journalist covers a story he will ask questions. Things happened, he tells them, they write about it. If it never happened it would be nothing to write about. It did. The truth hurts. If it wasn't you, then great. Shut up about it. Stop acting like it didn't happen though.

Even addressing it more than a year later takes the benefit of the doubt from CCM. Makes him sound like a whiner and an attempted martyr

 

[BAJAvol]

This is hilarious considering a lot of people were all in on Charlie strong at one time for our football program, which will always trump basketball.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

What would have occurred if Zoe had NOT won 5 out of the last 6 games and made the play in game? He would have just completed an abysmal year by anyones standard, no NCAA appearances, and looking straight down the barrel of a rebuilding year. People would have been discussing his lack of ability to utilize, win with talented players and who we could get as the next coach. Funny how a few wins will change the future. He knew he got extremely lucky and decided to cash in on another 4 year contract, probably his last. Tried to jump to Marquette before being offered by Stanford. He had to have some excuse to give to the players he left behind so grabbed the low hanging fruit. I think he made the right move.

 

[sanddune50]

Why the Boosters didn't pull the jet on Butch for blowing big games OK or FLA?

Why no petition then here we are in year 3 what have we accomplished in football?

Probably because Butch wasn't using the jet to look for another job.