Cup Dega Finish

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I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor from that finish. I was cussing Keso the entire last lap saying nudge him out of the way you moron this is your chance to win a Cup race and then when Edwards started spinning I was cheering like crazy right until he lifted off. I really thought he might have been seriously hurt hitting on the roof like that. There have been several ARCA and Goody's Dash crashes exactly like that and some ended fatally.

I don't blame Keso one bit for what he did and I'm glad Carl manned up and said that he tried blocking him. NASCAR is going to have to look at this situation though. When Regan Smith won last fall and got stripped of the win I told my dad to watch the next time someone will just turn the guy around. Lo and behold this happened. Now what does NASCAR do? What can they do? They can't say well you can't pass period on the last lap. Will they leave it as is and hope for the best? Will they say on the last lap you can go below the yellow line now? I'm sure this will be hotly debated over the next several days and coming weeks. I honestly don't know the best answer to the question. I say on the last lap anything goes as long as your not in the grass coming out of turn 4 to the line. Because if they keep it the same it will happen again. It might not be that crazy and dramatic but the guy on the bottom can't turn down anymore so he will just turn the guy that comes down to block and I really can't blame them.

Congrats to Keso on his first Cup win in such dramatic fashion. That'll get him into the All Star Race and I'm sure Hendrick will give Finch a good piece for him to drive at Charlotte.
 
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At first, I thought it was Kesolowski's fault, but after watching the replay it was clear that he had no choice but to hold his line. I'm surprised Carl wasn't more upset than he was though, but kudos to him for handling the situation with such class.

It was a helluva finish.
 
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I agree, it should be last lap anything goes.

Last year Smith tries to do the right thing, and in the process ends up in 24th and has still yet to win a race or even contend for a full-time team for that matter.

This year Brad does what he has to do to win, but in the process one of the scariest wrecks ever occurs. No one was at fault for that except the yellow line rule. One of the truest quotes you'll ever here was Edwards when he said "NASCAR puts us in this box and we'll race like this until we kill somebody and NASCAR will change it. Brad was doing everything he was supposed to be doing to win."

There's probably a hundred or so people that need to be thinking the fence builders. This situation could have been a lot worse and hopefully all injuries suffered by fans are minor.

Also, how crazy, two S&P teams finish in the top 13 and the winner is an S&P. Crazy stuff.
 
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All I've seen so far is that one woman has a broken jaw and lost several teeth from flying sheet metal. I'd never want to sit that low at any track due to just that kind of situation. I even sit high at the dirt tracks.
 
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Talladega is a joke. I'm sick of this kind of "racing". Calling it racing is a stretch anymore. Half the race is follow the leader and the other half is avoiding a big wreck. Just a sad excuse for a NASCAR "race".
 
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kkep48 said:
Talladega is a joke. I'm sick of this kind of "racing". Calling it racing is a stretch anymore. Half the race is follow the leader and the other half is avoiding a big wreck. Just a sad excuse for a NASCAR "race".
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We only have it for 4 races a year and I honestly prefer it to the cookie cutter tracks where you have one guy dominating all day.
 
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I'd rather watch guys race on a 1.5-mile track all day rather than see half the field get wiped out by crashes because guys can't race on this type of track.
 
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The middle of the race got a little boring I admit, but the finish was well worth the wait. Talladega is my favorite track. There's nothing like being there in person and watching all 43 cars go flying inches apart at 190mph.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
I agree, it should be last lap anything goes.

Last year Smith tries to do the right thing, and in the process ends up in 24th and has still yet to win a race or even contend for a full-time team for that matter.

This year Brad does what he has to do to win, but in the process one of the scariest wrecks ever occurs. No one was at fault for that except the yellow line rule. One of the truest quotes you'll ever here was Edwards when he said "NASCAR puts us in this box and we'll race like this until we kill somebody and NASCAR will change it. Brad was doing everything he was supposed to be doing to win."

There's probably a hundred or so people that need to be thinking the fence builders. This situation could have been a lot worse and hopefully all injuries suffered by fans are minor.

Also, how crazy, two S&P teams finish in the top 13 and the winner is an S&P. Crazy stuff.
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I admit thet the rule puts the drivers in abox, but if it is not allowed the first 187 laps why should they be able to do it on lap 188?
 
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jhen713 said:
The middle of the race got a little boring I admit, but the finish was well worth the wait. Talladega is my favorite track. There's nothing like being there in person and watching all 43 cars go flying inches apart at 190mph.
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For 8 laps, that was great, then a wreck happens and its 25 cars, most of them spread out. You can watch 43 go by at 190 for more time at Atlanta and/or Texas than Talladega.
 
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kkep48 said:
For 8 laps, that was great, then a wreck happens and its 25 cars, most of them spread out. You can watch 43 go by at 190 for more time at Atlanta and/or Texas than Talladega.
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Everybody has their own opinion of what good racing is. At Atlanta or Texas there are 4 car lenght gaps between most cars and over half the field ends up a lap down. Whoever is out front usually pulls out to a 3 second lead. That's not good racing to me. I live 20 min from Atlanta and use to go every year. They have had some great finishes but the overall racing is pretty boring. The trucks put on a lot better show at Atlanta.JMO
 
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Apparently Wes Brown was in the section where Edwards about took everyone out. On his facebook he said something like Edwards just about killed me.
 
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jhen713 said:
Everybody has their own opinion of what good racing is. At Atlanta or Texas there are 4 car lenght gaps between most cars and over half the field ends up a lap down. Whoever is out front usually pulls out to a 3 second lead. That's not good racing to me. I live 20 min from Atlanta and use to go every year. They have had some great finishes but the overall racing is pretty boring. The trucks put on a lot better show at Atlanta.JMO
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I'll be the first to admit, most of the 1.5-mile to 2-mile tracks suck. But I'd rather not watch a 20 car field race for half the time because of a big wreck caused because guys can't pass without being helped along by someone else, no matter how good their car is. Situations like today where the only way for Kesolowski to get around Edwards is to wreck him because he had no help and can't pass below a line. Restrictor-plate racing is a joke, to me. The best car should be able to pass without being helped along by someone else, and at places like Atlanta and where they'll race this weekend, Richmond, that's usually the case.
 
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kkep48 said:
I'll be the first to admit, most of the 1.5-mile to 2-mile tracks suck. But I'd rather not watch a 20 car field race for half the time because of a big wreck caused because guys can't pass without being helped along by someone else, no matter how good their car is. Situations like today where the only way for Kesolowski to get around Edwards is to wreck him because he had no help and can't pass below a line. Restrictor-plate racing is a joke, to me. The best car should be able to pass without being helped along by someone else, and at places like Atlanta and where they'll race this weekend, Richmond, that's usually the case.
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I don't think Kesolowski wrecked Edwards.I thought Edwards left the bottom open and Kesolowski had his nose in there and Edwards came back down to block and wrecked himself.JMO
I wouldn't want to watch Dega/Daytona racing every week. I like to watch the best cars/drivers decide who should win myself. I just find restrictor plate racing as a whole exciting because the cars are so close together at such high speeds. There is lead changes and alot more action than usual. The wrecks come with the territory.
 
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jhen713 said:
I don't think Kesolowski wrecked Edwards.I thought Edwards left the bottom open and Kesolowski had his nose in there and Edwards came back down to block and wrecked himself.JMO
I wouldn't want to watch Dega/Daytona racing every week. I like to watch the best cars/drivers decide who should win myself. I just find restrictor plate racing as a whole exciting because the cars are so close together at such high speeds. There is lead changes and alot more action than usual. The wrecks come with the territory.
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See, I think wrecks come with the territory in racing, period. It's at Talladega where one tiny mistake can take out half of a field.

David Poole said it best in something I read tonight where he says the only way to fix this type of racing is tear the track down and flatten out the banking some. That way, the restrictor plates can be gone, speeds will be down and the racing would be better. Of course, that's never going to happen, so we're stuck with this type of racing that very, very few of the drivers enjoy.
 
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jhen713 said:
I admit thet the rule puts the drivers in abox, but if it is not allowed the first 187 laps why should they be able to do it on lap 188?
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Well, basically that guarantees the driver in the lead coming down the straightaway a win. You can just block the double yellow line and no one can pass you.
 
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In defense of racing at Talladega. There 40+ lead changes. The "big one" 8 laps in still only took about about 8 or fewer contenders. More drivers have a shot at winning than at just about any other track.

Daytona has as much or more potential for the "big one" taking out major players.

In truth, tracks like Bristol, Martinsville, and other create havoc due to their unique styles.
 
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jhen713 said:
The middle of the race got a little boring I admit, but the finish was well worth the wait. Talladega is my favorite track. There's nothing like being there in person and watching all 43 cars go flying inches apart at 190mph.
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i agree, kkep have you even been to dega in person? i've been and thought it was unbelieveable. its by far my fav. track
 
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jhen713 said:
]I don't think Kesolowski wrecked Edwards.I thought Edwards left the bottom open and Kesolowski had his nose in there and Edwards came back down to block and wrecked himself.JMO[/B]
I wouldn't want to watch Dega/Daytona racing every week. I like to watch the best cars/drivers decide who should win myself. I just find restrictor plate racing as a whole exciting because the cars are so close together at such high speeds. There is lead changes and alot more action than usual. The wrecks come with the territory.
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That's the way I saw it.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
Well, basically that guarantees the driver in the lead coming down the straightaway a win. You can just block the double yellow line and no one can pass you.
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It didn't yesterday did it? Also, there were alot of passes for the lead on the high side in the race I saw.
 
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I also like the plate races. They are four races out of 36. I think it changes up the routine a little. I also like the 2 road races each year. Again, changing it up. Then you have 6 short track races and then throw in a couple of big 2 mile ovals and all the 1.5 cookie cutters. Point is, if you in the big leagues, you need to be able to compete on different track/race styles. These guys are supposed to be the best of the best. That's the reason for the different styles.
 
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volinbham said:
In defense of racing at Talladega. There 40+ lead changes. The "big one" 8 laps in still only took about about 8 or fewer contenders. More drivers have a shot at winning than at just about any other track.

Daytona has as much or more potential for the "big one" taking out major players.

In truth, tracks like Bristol, Martinsville, and other create havoc due to their unique styles.
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Yeah, the first wreck only took out about 8 but the second one took out 8 more. Sure, more drivers have a chance of winning because you can have a mediocre car and get a little help by someone else and win.

I have not been to Talladega in person, but have been to the Daytona 500. Enjoyed the Richmonds, Martinsville's and Atlanta's of the world MUCH more than Daytona.
 
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Gentleman Jack said:
I also like the plate races. They are four races out of 36. I think it changes up the routine a little. I also like the 2 road races each year. Again, changing it up. Then you have 6 short track races and then trow in a couple of big 2 mile ovals and all the 1.5 cookie cutters. Point is, if you in the big leagues, you need to be able to compete on different tack/race styles. These guys are supposed to be the best of the best. That's the reason for the different styles.
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