Cup Dega Finish

#28
#28
this was one of the most memorable Talladegas i have ever been to.

absolutely insane all weekend.
 
#30
#30
Here is my :twocents: on everything discussed here...

Number one. Something, I don't know what, has to be done about the restrictor plate racetracks. I thought the yellow line rule was a fix, and it is for 99% of a race. But that final lap can, and did yesterday, have disasterous effects. No one is to blame for the wreck, it was just "one of the racing deals" that could have been fatal to someone. Keslowski isn't to blame because he was going for the win, knew he couldn't pass below the line, and held his line. Edwards isn't to blame because he was going for the win, tried to block to perserve the win, but ended up in the fence. The line rule is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation on the last lap. NASCAR could say no passing under the line except on the last lap, but every driver on the track would be heading for the grass to gain a position at the finish. Then, the driver that was getting passed would bump the driver passing him into the grass and at some point you would have another Talladega flipper. I don't know the answer, but one thing is for sure, like Ricky Craven said in a Yahoo.com article, "NASCAR might not respond to every driver complaint, but they have to respond to what they saw yesterday, because while drivers understand and accept, to some degree, the risks associated with a race at Talladega, the fans should never have to do the same when attending one."

Secondly, racing at Talladega IS racing, just in another sense. It is certainly better to racing than watching one driver lead 367 of 400 laps at a cookie-cutter like Michigan or California. No excitment there, plenty of excitment here. Though this excitement can be dangerous.

What to do at Talladega and Daytona is anyone's guess, but NASCAR has tried to aid the problem. They put restrictor plates on after Allison's crash (which caused a new problem in bunching up the field), made smaller fuel cells to break up the pack (which doesn't work when there is hardly ever any green flag pitstops), and banned passing below the yellow line (which works until the last lap, then causes another new problem). But they have to do something, so back to the drawing board.
 
#31
#31
The best answer I've heard is lower the banking thus reducing the speeds ala Michigan and California. They are longer tracks than Texas, Atlanta and Charlotte, but lap times are slower. This will happen about as likely as my running at the Indy 500.
 
#32
#32
I don't think there's anything wrong with the tracks. There can be some things done to improve the racing, but leave the tracks alone.
 
#33
#33
The way to fix it is separate the pack-racing. Figure out a way to break up the packs and you can avoid huge wrecks. The way to fix what happened at the end of the race is simple, in my opinion. Enforce strict penalties on guys who run someone else below the yellow line. It should've happened last year when Stewart sent Smith below the line on the last lap. Tell the drivers that if you force a guy below the line, you're coming in. Whether that works on the last lap or not, who knows, but it'll stop some of the blocking anyways.
 
#34
#34
move the seats back and raise the fencing/reinforce the fencing.. if you separate the pack racing dega becomes just as boring as any other track, but longer... so more boring..
 
#36
#36
d4ster3 said:
move the seats back and raise the fencing/reinforce the fencing.. if you separate the pack racing dega becomes just as boring as any other track, but longer... so more boring..
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:eek:k: Best idea I've heard so far. I would much rather be sitting in the tower anyway.
 
#37
#37
kkep48 said:
The way to fix it is separate the pack-racing. Figure out a way to break up the packs and you can avoid huge wrecks. The way to fix what happened at the end of the race is simple, in my opinion. Enforce strict penalties on guys who run someone else below the yellow line. It should've happened last year when Stewart sent Smith below the line on the last lap. Tell the drivers that if you force a guy below the line, you're coming in. Whether that works on the last lap or not, who knows, but it'll stop some of the blocking anyways.
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I agree
 
#38
#38
What about adjusting the carb so they make less horsepower so they can run like they did in days before restrictor plates (ala all strung out not clumped together).

You could take the plates off and not have to worry about them running 240mph
 
#39
#39
wfine81 said:
What about adjusting the carb so they make less horsepower so they can run like they did in days before restrictor plates (ala all strung out not clumped together).

You could take the plates off and not have to worry about them running 240mph
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That's basically what the plates do is constrict air/fuel flow and reduce HP. They chose them because it is much easier to police than carb adjustment. Either way you reduce acellaration and throttle response.
 
#40
#40
According to ray evernham, the new cars fit together so well that 2 cars can hookup and be faster than a large pack (ie brad and Carl). If you separate the packs you would end up with 2 guys 2 miles ahead of the rest. Wouldn't that be fun to watch!
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#41
#41
d4ster3 said:
According to ray evernham, the new cars fit together so well that 2 cars can hookup and be faster than a large pack (ie brad and Carl). If you separate the packs you would end up with 2 guys 2 miles ahead of the rest. Wouldn't that be fun to watch!
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Once they got into open air though, it didn't take the field a long time to catch up with them for some reason. It was bizarre seeing two cars hooked up going about 10 mph faster than the rest of the field. Looked like the high line was the optimal position to be in.
 
#42
#42
True... That's just what I heard him say on nascar now.
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#43
#43
It would be boring, extremely boring, but it would be safer, which is the issue. There's already enough boring racing in NASCAR for them to do that.
 
#44
#44
Look at NASCAR now compared to what it was 22 years ago in 87 when they last ran unrestricted. Every team now is relatively competitive. The same could not be said back then. As much as I love the old school racing there were about 10 really good cars at that time. Sometimes guys would hit on something and run strong but it was about 10 cars that were competitive every week.

Now with the way things are you have so many more teams that have the good equipment even if you take the plates off and move the fences back you are still going to have big packs of cars. They are so close in design, innovation, etc that you aren't going to split them up. I think the only way you can split them up is to maybe take off the plates AND then take away the wing and all the downforce at the plate tracks. You'd then have them running around having to get out of it in the turns to keep from crashing and that would possibly split the packs up.

But if you just take off the plates and move the fans back and make the fences higher I'm afraid that wouldn't break up the packs at all. Plus, as I stated earlier with Rusty running around Dega at 230 in 2004 and him saying it made him light headed after a few laps I'm 1000% sure NASCAR would never let them get to those speeds in fear of drivers blacking out due to the amount of speed and G forces. Indycars canceled a race a few years ago at Atlanta or Texas or one of those tracks because they were going so fast the drivers were getting woozy.
 
#45
#45
DownNDirty said:
a I'm 1000% sure NASCAR would never let them get to those speeds in fear of drivers blacking out due to the amount of speed and G forces. Indycars canceled a race a few years ago at Atlanta or Texas or one of those tracks because they were going so fast the drivers were getting woozy.
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It is the side g loading that causes the problem, not the speed. Indy cars go that fast, and look at Bonneville. Yes IRL cancelled Texas I believe.
 
#46
#46
Talledega is talledega. Leave it alone, its the only race besides daytona and bristol that remind me of why i used to love this sport so much. Two cars together were getting a crazy draft. That was a little unusual. The speeds are about where they need to be. Yeah edwards got on his roof, but he walked away and so did everyone else. Soft walls did there job, cars did theirs and so did the driver. I thought that was one hell of a race myself.
 
#47
#47
Cartervol said:
Talledega is talledega. Leave it alone, its the only race besides daytona and bristol that remind me of why i used to love this sport so much. Two cars together were getting a crazy draft. That was a little unusual. The speeds are about where they need to be. Yeah edwards got on his roof, but he walked away and so did everyone else. Soft walls did there job, cars did theirs and so did the driver. I thought that was one hell of a race myself.
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It's easy to feel that way when you don't have a broken jaw or schrapnel stuck in you
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#49
#49
rbroyles said:
The best answer I've heard is lower the banking thus reducing the speeds ala Michigan and California. They are longer tracks than Texas, Atlanta and Charlotte, but lap times are slower. This will happen about as likely as my running at the Indy 500.
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California and Michigan are two of THE WORST races of the enitre year. Those "races" are nothing more than glorified parades, and it would be a shame to take Talladega and turn it into that. However, something obviously has to be done before something truly awful happens at Talladega. NASCAR really dodged a major bullet on Sunday, and it's probably just a matter of time under the current rules until something truly awful happens.
 
#50
#50
bleedorange0037 said:
California and Michigan are two of THE WORST races of the enitre year. Those "races" are nothing more than glorified parades, and it would be a shame to take Talladega and turn it into that. However, something obviously has to be done before something truly awful happens at Talladega. NASCAR really dodged a major bullet on Sunday, and it's probably just a matter of time under the current rules until something truly awful happens.
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I should have been more specific. I didn't mean make the track like those two, but that by lowering the banking, the speeds could be low enough to eliminate the plates, just as they do at the two 2.0 mile tracks. By using progressive banking they could keep the side by side racing, without the big packs.

There would be a ton of people unhappy that like the bunched up pack and seeing the big wrecks.
 
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