Current Administration

#51
#51
OWB said:
So you're saying that nothing that W did contributed to our economy being in the tanker? If so, you need a reality check.
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the iraq war certainly didn't help and the oversight of the sec had a lot to be desired. otherwise he isn't to blame and i defy you to give me a solid example that proves otherwise.
 
#52
#52
droski said:
the iraq war certainly didn't help and the oversight of the sec had a lot to be desired. otherwise he isn't to blame and i defy you to give me a solid example that proves otherwise.
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a lot of that had to deal with clintons drastic reduction in the military budget
 
#53
#53
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
thats another thing, we spend so much in training the best of the best, lets let them do their jobs, keep the politicians out of it, they just start problems
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This is so true. Throughout history, politicians meddling in military affairs has caused nothing but trouble.
 
#54
#54
droski said:
the iraq war certainly didn't help and the oversight of the sec had a lot to be desired. otherwise he isn't to blame and i defy you to give me a solid example that proves otherwise.
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As if that's not enough?
 
#55
#55
is what also these politicians dont get, the military isnt there for the them, the military is here for the people, which is where the power of the politicians is derived
 
#56
#56
OWB said:
As if that's not enough?
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and clintons lowering standards and basically forcing banks to loan to people they normaly wouldnt because they do not have the ability to pay had nothing do with it either right?
 
#58
#58
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
a lot of that had to deal with clintons drastic reduction in the military budget
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Dude, there's a reason your party is in shambles. Accept some blame. I get it. You voted a for a guy, he bamboozled you, you're bitter and looking to blame anyone but W because it makes you feel better. Clinton left us with a surplus, Bush set record deficit numbers. Enough said.
 
#60
#60
OWB said:
As if that's not enough?
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it isn't, period. The Iraq situation hasn't cost near what the stimulus disaster is going to cost and we have something to show for it. The stimulus package will leave us with little more than pet projects for dem congressmen in powerful seats and a huge bill.
 
#62
#62
OWB said:
Right
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please explain specifically how it had a greater effect than that. i am all ears. liberals keep chanting this mantra of "bush killed the economy," but i have yet to find one that can point to specific reasons.
 
#63
#63
OWB said:
Dude, there's a reason your party is in shambles. Accept some blame. I get it. You voted a for a guy, he bamboozled you, you're bitter and looking to blame anyone but W because it makes you feel better. Clinton left us with a surplus, Bush set record deficit numbers. Enough said.
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due to reaganomics... let me translate the surplus stuff for you. ok so you have a lot of money in your checking account, well you go out to random stores and buy a bunch of stuff, well you buy it on credit, defered payments for 2 years, and the amounts you have purchased is more then your income, well when it comes time to pay up on the bills eventually your checking account is going to overdraft...
 
#64
#64
clinton had a surplus because of the largest artificial bubble in the labor market in american histoy. if we give him credit for that, we should also give him the blame of the dot com bust that tanked the economy after he left office. you can't have it both ways.
 
#65
#65
OWB said:
Sure why not. I do think that people should give Obama some time though. It's going to take a LONG time to erase 8 years of W.

I think that we can all agree that we don't want America to fail. We just have different opinions as to how to go about it.
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I know we differ on how to get there but I am afraid that allowing Obama more time, with no way to check some of the harmful policies and action he has taken we put our economy at further risk. Not to mention the precedents he is setting, which are in no way good for the long term IMO.

I agree we need to correct many of the mistakes Bush made, however the biggest mistake Bush made (IMO) was his horrible spending, of which Obama has simply compounded with no way to pay for even more expensive initiatives coming down the road.

None of us want America to fail but do you not see many of the steps Obama has taken as a serious threat to the prosperity in our future and likely (IMO) to be the catalyst for failure down the road?
 
#67
#67
OWB said:
Dude, there's a reason your party is in shambles. Accept some blame. I get it. You voted a for a guy, he bamboozled you, you're bitter and looking to blame anyone but W because it makes you feel better. Clinton left us with a surplus, Bush set record deficit numbers. Enough said.
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We do accept the blame for Bush careless spending (at least a good majority of us do). We were bamboozled, but what you fail to see is that you were too. Obama cannot possible pay for his current rate of spending any better than Bush did, unless he imposes higher taxes on us all, which will be coming down the road.

You are correct, we are bitter, but not because Obama won. We are bitter because we saw government grow and grow, spending getting more and more out of control over the past eight years and now we have Obama compounding those mistakes by, you guessed it, growing an already bloated government and spending more than Bush thought about!

Obama has negotiated a deal for the unions at the expense of shareholders and taken control of businesses, not a very good idea, we already know how inept the government is at running anything, whatever they touch they run into the ground.

Do you hold out hope Obama can even come close to balancing this budget?
 
#68
#68
KB5252 said:
We do accept the blame for Bush careless spending (at least a good majority of us do). We were bamboozled, but what you fail to see is that you were too. Obama cannot possible pay for his current rate of spending any better than Bush did, unless he imposes higher taxes on us all, which will be coming down the road.

You are correct, we are bitter, but not because Obama won. We are bitter because we saw government grow and grow, spending getting more and more out of control over the past eight years and now we have Obama compounding those mistakes by, you guessed it, growing an already bloated government and spending more than Bush thought about!

Obama has negotiated a deal for the unions at the expense of shareholders and taken control of businesses, not a very good idea, we already know how inept the government is at running anything, whatever they touch they run into the ground.

Do you hold out hope Obama can even come close to balancing this budget?
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:bump3:
 
#69
#69
He doesn't care, he will give up every shred of freedom so as long a democrat is in political power.

Makes me sick!
 
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