Dale Jr. and Jimmie Johnson get the screw job

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Well folks NASCAR has done it again. A fool named Brian Vickers wrecks the two best cars on the track to win on the last lap. And they praise him for it.


I will not watch NASCAR for the rest of the year. Thanks for pushing away the real fans of the sport. Make that money and live a good life.


:finger3: :finger3: :finger3: :finger3: NASCAR.
 
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Vickers is the biggest idiot out there in NASCAR he really screwed Dale Jr. today....That one really hurt.....Jr. had the better car than Johnson all day and Vickers couldn't just take a good 3rd place finish....Pardon my french, but that really PISSED me off
 
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Vickers saying the 8 pushed down on JJ and JJ jerked to get away?!?!?!:crazy: I beLIEve him !!!:censored:
 
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Vickers has the same problem that Johnson used to have on the plate tracks. He simply has too good of a car to know what to do with it. Johnson used to wreck people left and right, and now its Vickers' turn.

Jr. would've finished 3rd anyway, but that was ridiculous by Vickers. Just STAY BEHIND Johnson, you did it for the last 30 laps. But again, I won't hold it against him, he's just in too good of a car than he knows what to do with.
 
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The commentator did bring up"How Loyal" Vickers would be since he is leaving the team at years end was looking for his first win and after the race stating he has been excluded from team meeting for some time.
 
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What they failed to mention however is that Vickers is a talentless hack, having no control over the car when all he had to do was stay on Johnson's bumper wherever he went on the track. He didn't seem to have much of a problem doing it the previous 187 laps.
 
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I agree and remeber when JJ was wreckless maybe the arrogance of JG and JJ are rubbing off on him.
 
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I had JJ picked to win, but what comes around goes around....you reap what you sow. Now JJ is paying up for his past recklessness. I feel bad for Jr, he deserved the checkered flag I think. The Karma bug bit JJ in the right rear today.
 
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I was prepared to concede the win for Jr., they had a heckuva run on him and were gonna go around him unless he would've just ran them in the grass, as Johnson or Vickers probably would've done.

True about Johnson. I think he even had something to do with that semi-big wreck earlier in the race. Looked like he was the one that jacked Edwards sideways down into Mears, but it also looked like they were all checking up for whatever reason. I just like to blame Johnson for it, but he definitely got taken out, by a teammate no less.
 
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Might I say in the Top 5 picks I was the only one to pick a Vickers win, and I THINK the only one to even have him in the top 5. I don't care for him one way or another but I knew he'd have a heck of a car today.

It was a racing deal IMO. I don't think he hooked JJ on purpose. I really think he was trying to cut across JJ's rear end with a super bump down the backstretch to send them both around Earnhardt and him take his shot at Johnson coming down to the line.

Anyone on here know just how crappy HMS treats Vickers? They have ever since the plane crash that took his best friend, Ricky Hendrick. I was at the Bristol night race last year and Jeff Gordon nailed Vickers and punted him out of the way and into the wall. I flipped to JG's channel and going down into the next turn Vickers slammed him back and passed him. JG "sent word" to Vickers that he's the "4th car" in the Hendrick organization and JG could see he's fired the next week if he pulled that crap again. Now they won't let Vickers in on team meetings, won't let him tell the crew what adjustments to make during the race, he's basically just driving what they give him and he stuck it straight up HMS's rear end's today - inadvertantly. He won't lose any sleep over it though - well at least not for taking out JJ. I half expected him to thank Toyota for giving him a chance next year instead of thanking Hendrick - but he done the PC thing and did thank Hendrick.

I think it also spoke VOLUMES that they can interview Dale Jr and he congratulate Vickers and say "man, that's racin" and do it with a smile. Then, they interview JJ and he's whining and crying and babbling and all this junk not remembering if not for Vickers pushing him around at Daytona and Talladega he very may well not have won either race this season. I completely understand the Junior and JJ fans being upset at the outcome - and I like Dale Jr. But, I think alot of people need to remember that this IS NASCAR and it used to be rubbing was racing. Donnie and Cale wiped each other out on the last lap of the Daytona 500 and it goes down as the greatest finish ever and everyone was saying how great that was and that "rubbin is racin." This new generation of NASCAR fan just don't understand that I'm afraid. I thought, good LORD, I'm glad that Junior and JJ didn't come back up across the track or flip and they were both ok but I was thinking WHAT A FINISH. I hate it for Vickers that his first win had to come at such controversey but I'm glad to see him get a win with the way they treat him at HMS. There have been several times over the past few years he's had the winning car at tracks and something breaks or he blows up because he's the Hendrick R&D dummy. At least he got something out of his tenure there.
 
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If that accident hadn't happened I would have had a 1st, 2nd and 5th place in the NASCAR pick'ems! Darn Brian Vickers! Would someone please slap him in the face. Thanks. He's not even been welcomed in the meetings for Hendrick MotorSports since he said he was swithching teams next season.
 
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Vickers gets treated like crap, and coincidentally, fired from HMS because he has zero talent. HMS is the best team out there. Every one of their drivers are competitive and win races, except for Vickers. He has done nothing but underwhelm and underperform since he's sat foot into the Cup Series in 2004. It's a good thing he thanked Rick's son for being his buddy and hand-picking him for the HMS Busch car back in 2003. If not for that, he'd be where he belongs, scrounging around for a ride in the regional series' of NASCAR.

The only places he's been competitive at this year has been the plate tracks, where it's all car and you just have to point it in the right direction. He proved today that he can't even do that without taking people out. Johnson used to be the same way, but as noted by Tony Eury Jr., he's matured a lot, as far as plate racing goes anyway, and has turned that into two plate wins this year.

Jr. is a classy guy, I expected him to get out of the car and congratulate Vickers and just call it a racing deal.
 
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tidwell said:
Vickers gets treated like crap, and coincidentally, fired from HMS because he has zero talent. HMS is the best team out there. Every one of their drivers are competitive and win races, except for Vickers. He has done nothing but underwhelm and underperform since he's sat foot into the Cup Series in 2004. It's a good thing he thanked Rick's son for being his buddy and hand-picking him for the HMS Busch car back in 2003. If not for that, he'd be where he belongs, scrounging around for a ride in the regional series' of NASCAR.

The only places he's been competitive at this year has been the plate tracks, where it's all car and you just have to point it in the right direction. He proved today that he can't even do that without taking people out. Johnson used to be the same way, but as noted by Tony Eury Jr., he's matured a lot, as far as plate racing goes anyway, and has turned that into two plate wins this year.

Jr. is a classy guy, I expected him to get out of the car and congratulate Vickers and just call it a racing deal.
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Tell us how you really feel. :wacko:

On another note....Bobby finished 10th:dance2:
 
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I meant to add on that I feel Truex is no better than Vickers and is where he is for the same reason as Vickers, so it's not a "I hate anything Hendrick" thing.

Although I do hate anything Hendrick.
 
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interesting how Jr. fans are bad mouthing Vickers for the exact same thing Jr. did to Edwards to win the Busch race in Michigan earlier this year. it works both ways people. you can't have your cake and eat it too.

the way NASCAR saw it here's what happened:

48 and 25 had a run on the 8.
48 went low to pass the 8 and the 8 moved down as well to block. the 25 went with the 48.
the 48 checked ever so slightly and Vickers, moving down to help his teammate got into him. that's racing.

if it weren't for superior Cup teams having superior Busch equipment, there's a lot of guys who wouldn't have jobs. it's not like the 25 car was a speed demon that was winning all sorts of races before Vickers got into it. fact of the matter is the 25 has always been the 4th car at HMS, not like it became that once Vickers got there.

that said, i do feel bad for Junior because he had one of, if not the best, car on the track. but what goes around comes around, and props to Junior for realizing that and not going the typical HMS route and crying about it.
 
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Hendrick's 25 car has been the R&D car since the mid 90's - well since Jeff Gordon came into the sport anyway. From 1988 to 1997 Schrader won 4 races in it - his last win coming in 1991.

1988 Schrader - 1 win, 17 top 10's
1989 - 1 win, 14 top 10's
1990 - 0 wins, 14 top 10's
1991 - 2 wins, 18 top 10's.
1992 - 0 wins, 11 top 10's
1993 - 0 wins, 15 top 10's
1994 - 0 wins, 18 top 10's
1995 - 0 wins, 10 top 10's
1996 - 0 wins, 10 top 10's


Craven took over in 1997 and had 6 top 10's. In 98 he had 3 top 10's.

1999 Wally Dallenbach Jr. takes over and gets 6 top 10's.

2000 it's Nadeua's turn and he gets 5 top 10's, including a win at the last race at Atlanta.

2001 Nadeau - 8 top 10's no wins

2002 Nadeau - 1 top 10 through the first 11 races before he's injured. Nemechek steps in and gets 3 top 10's.

2003 Nemechek - 5 top 10's including 1 win.

2004 Vickers - 4 top 10's.

2005 Vickers - 10 top 10's.

2006 Vickers - 7 top 10's so far with a win.

I'm definitely not a Vickers fanboy but if you look at the performance of the 25 as a whole - it's just not that good - no matter who was driving. They knee jerk every couple of years and change the driver.
 
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doozer said:
interesting how Jr. fans are bad mouthing Vickers for the exact same thing Jr. did to Edwards to win the Busch race in Michigan earlier this year. it works both ways people. you can't have your cake and eat it too.

the way NASCAR saw it here's what happened:

48 and 25 had a run on the 8.
48 went low to pass the 8 and the 8 moved down as well to block. the 25 went with the 48.
the 48 checked ever so slightly and Vickers, moving down to help his teammate got into him. that's racing.

if it weren't for superior Cup teams having superior Busch equipment, there's a lot of guys who wouldn't have jobs. it's not like the 25 car was a speed demon that was winning all sorts of races before Vickers got into it. fact of the matter is the 25 has always been the 4th car at HMS, not like it became that once Vickers got there.

that said, i do feel bad for Junior because he had one of, if not the best, car on the track. but what goes around comes around, and props to Junior for realizing that and not going the typical HMS route and crying about it.
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Watch the replay, that wasn't all totally Jr.'s fault.....Yeah, you know a lot about racing...HAHAHAH! Yeah, yesterday was a racing deal, but Vickers costed two people with a decent shot...Johnson had a worse shot than Jr. win it..But he cost both those guys a good finish and big points day...Screw Vickers, that was cheap
 
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I don't really see the similarity, Jr. was behind someone that got loose, and Vickers justr an out of talent and wrecked two guys in front of him.

Chad Knaus even said the same thing after the race about Vickers. "He just doesn't have enough talent to control a car that is that good." :lol:
 
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classic Junior fans responses. god forbid the king of NACAR do something wrong and everybody rush to defend him. but when he's done wrong, the 25 is a no talent scmuck who has no idea how to drive a car.

how is it the 25's fault that he got into the back of the 48 when he checked up? exactly like Junior got into the back of a loose car and spun him to win. Tidwell, you're right, not exactly the same incident but the same fall out. Junior fans rushed to defend him then, and now they want the lynch mob out after the 25. like i said, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

interesting how the 48 team is saying that this is going to put them out of the chase. yo Chad, look in the mirror. your team has blown you know what since Indy. i love how at HMS it's never their fault.

10 Aingie, your absolute bias for the 8 car does not allow you to see anything outside of Junior is the greatest driver and he can do no wrong. when you grow up a little, you will be able to view NASCAR outside of the little 8 bubble that you live in. you probably still blame Edwards for wrecking him in 2004 and putting him out of the Chase. in fact, Junior even admitted that was his fault but 8 fans still blame Carl.

and you will also learn that 'costed' is not a word.
 
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I've always thought Vickers was a no-talent schmuck. His multitude of success driving for the best team in the Cup Series proves that. I know he didn't "mean" to take out the two leaders, but he should be able to adequately follow his teammate around the leader. He should be used to that as that has been his role for the last 3 years.

To Vicker's credit, he didn't blame his teammate for the incident, instead he blamed Jr. Typical Hendrick driver response like you've said doozer, they never make a mistake.
 
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TigersTalons said:
Vickers saying the 8 pushed down on JJ and JJ jerked to get away?!?!?!:crazy: I beLIEve him !!!:censored:
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that's what got me....i couldn't believe he actually said that like he believed it...what a moron.
 
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doozer said:
classic Junior fans responses. god forbid the king of NACAR do something wrong and everybody rush to defend him. but when he's done wrong, the 25 is a no talent scmuck who has no idea how to drive a car.

how is it the 25's fault that he got into the back of the 48 when he checked up? exactly like Junior got into the back of a loose car and spun him to win. Tidwell, you're right, not exactly the same incident but the same fall out. Junior fans rushed to defend him then, and now they want the lynch mob out after the 25. like i said, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

interesting how the 48 team is saying that this is going to put them out of the chase. yo Chad, look in the mirror. your team has blown you know what since Indy. i love how at HMS it's never their fault.

Oh BTW....Yeah Kahne really deserves to be in the Chase for the Cup doesn't he? A big whopping 9th place in points, yeah he has a good shot at winning it...HAHA
10 Aingie, your absolute bias for the 8 car does not allow you to see anything outside of Junior is the greatest driver and he can do no wrong. when you grow up a little, you will be able to view NASCAR outside of the little 8 bubble that you live in. you probably still blame Edwards for wrecking him in 2004 and putting him out of the Chase. in fact, Junior even admitted that was his fault but 8 fans still blame Carl.

and you will also learn that 'costed' is not a word.
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Classic Junior fan response, huh? A classic response from a know-it-all that thinks because I don't agree with him, I'm wrong...when I grow up a little? You're the one on here arguing with a 17 year old on a forum, and I'm the one that needs to grow up? I've done been through more in 17 years than you have, I almost died 6 months ago and that has matured me alot, so you have absolutely NO room to tell me I need to grow up...So you can take that little comment and shove it.....I will rush to defend my favorite driver just as will to defend my favorite team....As far as 2004 goes, I don't blame Carl Edwards, I never have.......Jr. done that to himself.....

Oh, BTW...Yeah you're boy Kahne really deserves to be in the Chase for the Cup, doesn't he? A big whopping 9th place in the points, yeah he's doing really good.....:finger3:I'm not wasting my time arguing with you, just thought I'd point out that you kissed his butt saying he deserved to be in it and now he can't even win it
 
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then why do you call me out in this thread if you don't want to argue? i was just responding to your attack on me.

i never claimed to be a NASCAR know-it-all. all i claimed is there is more to NASCAR than just Dale Jr. i can't play devil's advocate? i can't defend the other side of the arguement?

if you must know, my boy is not Kahne. i was merely defending the fact that winning races should count more than running consistant, because there is not a race car driver alive that will tell you that running in second all year is better than winning. you will not find one who does not want to win.

as for Junior, i have nothing but respect for him. i do think he's a little overrated, but i wonder how much of that is his team. i think he could really shine if he was ever to step into an RCR car. time will tell if that ever happens. i think Dale has never once backed down from questions about his father and i respect the fact he never failed to give his opinion. it his fans that are so blinded by his name, that they fail to have common sense. i respect the fact that he took the high road yesterday and didn't go the same route as his teamate (Vickers) and series crybaby, Chad Johnson.
 
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These types of wrecks always depend on the guy that started it last name. If it's Gordon, Edwards, Johnson then it's them being stupid and costing drivers a win. If it's Vickers, Bowyer, Mears then it's just guys with good cars that can't handle it. But, if the name is Earnhardt or Stewart it's just them being aggresive. Anytime the 8 car is involved in a wreck it's the other persons fault for driving like a moron. These fans that call those drivers morons are usualy the same fans throwing beer bottles on the track.
 
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