Darlinstone???

#51
#51
Dubar is what he is. Came here to learn from the defensive master. It takes time. Offense was always there. Never lacks confidence. Sometimes our offense goes into one of those funks where everyone is afraid to shoot. Barnes sees that and puts in Dstone. He’s never seen a shot he didn’t like. If he can see the rim, he thinks he’s open. He’s definitely helped us win some games, as all have mentioned. I hope he helps some more. It just seems like when he comes in, everyone else sort of says “oh yeah, there’s the basket” and relaxes a bit.
 
#52
#52
Redheads said:
Dubar is what he is. Came here to learn from the defensive master. It takes time. Offense was always there. Never lacks confidence. Sometimes our offense goes into one of those funks where everyone is afraid to shoot. Barnes sees that and puts in Dstone. He’s never seen a shot he didn’t like. If he can see the rim, he thinks he’s open. He’s definitely helped us win some games, as all have mentioned. I hope he helps some more. It just seems like when he comes in, everyone else sort of says “oh yeah, there’s the basket” and relaxes a bit.
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We need to find some pure 3 shooters. Not just one, but a couple who are specialists at the trey. UK has an arsenal of them.
 
#53
#53
Call a spade a spade folks…

He has the 7th worse 3pt% on the team but has the 2nd highest 3 pointers attempted per 40 minutes, he also boasts the 12th best TS% on the team out of 13 players with stats. So he’s been awful and inefficient offensively while also taking more shots in his time on the court than anyone not named Chaz Lanier, and he’s no Chaz. If he was playing lock down defense or rebounding his ass off he’d probably earn himself some more minutes, especially given the lack of depth on this team, but he’s just the teams 6th best rebounder per 40 minutes as well. When it comes to defense it doesn’t get better, he has the 2nd worst DBPM of any scholarship player on the squad, and his PRPG is 2nd worst to just Bishop Boswell.

Barnes has given him opportunities and Dubar hasn’t made the most of them, on a deeper team he probably gets even fewer opportunities. It’s been made clear to him he doesn’t have to hoist a shot every time down the court to make an impact or earn minutes, yet he continues to, at this point of the season he’s not playing unless Barnes just has no other choice.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Dubar played 1 season at Iowa State played in 16 games and started 7 of them. Averaged 2.3 ppg don't think that's the best player at Iowa State numbers. Transferred to Hofstra probably because he was being recruited over after that big offensive output his Freshmen season.
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His freshman numbers are not really the point, most freshmen don't put up world-beating numbers in d1 ball. The point is people being surprised he hasn't panned out is weird. He was a high-upside gamble. Thus far we haven't gotten much from him. I wouldn't call him a bust because he does serve a purpose on this team giving 10 minutes of not terrible basketball. his per 36 numbers aren't bad tbh. He is at 12.3 points and 7.8 boards that's not bad.

DK was a huge outlier and Lanier kind of is also. Its not normal for guys to go up so many levels of competition and excel.. there is normally an adjustment period but nowadays they are brining in guys and expecting instant work because they are seniors.
 
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#55
bleedingTNorange said:
Call a spade a spade folks…

He has the 7th worse 3pt% on the team but has the 2nd highest 3 pointers attempted per 40 minutes, he also boasts the 12th best TS% on the team out of 13 players with stats. So he’s been awful and inefficient offensively while also taking more shots in his time on the court than anyone not named Chaz Lanier, and he’s no Chaz. If he was playing lock down defense or rebounding his ass off he’d probably earn himself some more minutes, especially given the lack of depth on this team, but he’s just the teams 6th best rebounder per 40 minutes as well. When it comes to defense it doesn’t get better, he has the 2nd worst DBPM of any scholarship player on the squad, and his PRPG is 2nd worst to just Bishop Boswell.

Barnes has given him opportunities and Dubar hasn’t made the most of them, on a deeper team he probably gets even fewer opportunities. It’s been made clear to him he doesn’t have to hoist a shot every time down the court to make an impact or earn minutes, yet he continues to, at this point of the season he’s not playing unless Barnes just has no other choice.
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I've tried presenting this same argument but it generally falls on deaf ears to those who just want to see Dubar succeed and simply believe it will happen if he just got more minutes. More minutes don't guarantee success, and when limited minutes lead to lots of bad decisions, it's just as likely more minutes would simply lead to more bad decisions.

A lack of other options doesn't mean your worst or second worst option is suddenly the answer. The answer to a problem isn't often hiding in plain sight. If the staff had seen enough to think playing DD more minutes could change alter our season, they'd have done it more by now. It's probably time everyone just started accepting that this is a 7-man rotation with a couple guys available to give us a quick breather or foul. The tiger isn't changing his stripes 27 games into the season.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I've tried presenting this same argument but it generally falls on deaf ears to those who just want to see Dubar succeed and simply believe it will happen if he just got more minutes. More minutes don't guarantee success, and when limited minutes lead to lots of bad decisions, it's just as likely more minutes would simply lead to more bad decisions.

A lack of other options doesn't mean your worst or second worst option is suddenly the answer. The answer to a problem isn't often hiding in plain sight. If the staff had seen enough to think playing DD more minutes could change alter our season, they'd have done it more by now. It's probably time everyone just started accepting that this is a 7-man rotation with a couple guys available to give us a quick breather or foul. The tiger isn't changing his stripes 27 games into the season.
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You are correct but there is the fact we are short on bodies and he is what we have. The argument he MIGHT do better with more time is a valid one. Its hard to get in a groove with only 10 mins a game popping in for like 2-3 mins at a time. This guy went from averaging almost 30 mins a game the past 3 years and being a main cog. he shot 40% from 3 the last 2 years so his low 3pt percentage is probably an aberration?

Thus far he has not been the player people expected. But if we are gonna succeed in postseason he has to do something because we are not gonna get far on a 7-man rotation. We are 1 injury away from him having to play serious minutes.
 
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pimo1 said:
Thus far he has not been the player people expected. But if we are gonna succeed in postseason he has to do something because we are not gonna get far on a 7-man rotation. We are 1 injury away from him having to play serious minutes.
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I agree 100%
This right here is exactly why I have been calling for more at least a few more minutes for him. It's not that I necessarily think he is some diamond in the rough just waiting to be cracked open.
Just know we are going to need him come tourney time and want him to be as ready as possible.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I didn’t get the impression that the personal reasons were disciplinary in any way. Sounded to me more like he was taking care of family obligations and/or dealing a death or illness. I don’t know anything, but that was more of the vibe I got.
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I don't know where I got this, but for some reason I was thinking he was dealing with an unexpected death in his family.
 
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pimo1 said:
You are correct but there is the fact we are short on bodies and he is what we have. The argument he MIGHT do better with more time is a valid one. Its hard to get in a groove with only 10 mins a game popping in for like 2-3 mins at a time. This guy went from averaging almost 30 mins a game the past 3 years and being a main cog. he shot 40% from 3 the last 2 years so his low 3pt percentage is probably an aberration?

Thus far he has not been the player people expected. But if we are gonna succeed in postseason he has to do something because we are not gonna get far on a 7-man rotation. We are 1 injury away from him having to play serious minutes.
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Here's where I disagree. We are thin, but we aren't short on bodies to the point where we are forced to play a guy for long stretches that the coaches don't trust.

And while I will agree it's hard to get in a rhythm only playing 2-3 minutes at a time, what he's doing in practice and when he does get into games is the very thing that is restricting him to 2-3 minute stretches. It's clear that the coaches are done trying to make the Dubar project work. At this point, they seem happy to put him out there for a few minutes in the 1st half to buy some minutes for the 7 guys ahead of him, and then he comes back out. They're done trying to give him opportunities to prove himself.

I'm sick of people quoting his Hofstra stats. This isn't Hofstra, it's not the CAA, and he isn't offensive priority #1. What he was able to do as the primary option for a low-major team has no bearing on his ability at the SEC level. It's an apples to aardvarks comparison.

We've primarily succeeded (22-5) with 2 weeks left in the regular season and only playing a 7-man rotation. So the notion that somehow trying to shoehorn a bad fit who is our 2nd worst player into playing more minutes in the most important stretch of the season is a curious take. We may not go far in the postseason, but I can promise you it won't be because we didn't play Darlinstone Dubar more minutes. If the coaches thought he could help, they'd have played him more long before late-Februrary.
 
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jw0595 said:
Haven't been on here in a while. Clearly UT has some depth issues. One that I can't figure out is Dubar. How can a player go from the best player on a team to damned near insignificant? I realize the SEC is much tougher, but the goals are the same height. He just looks like he could bring so much more to the table. Is this a defense thing? There are some really astute BB fans on this forum, so I am hoping for some thoughts. IMO, for the Vols to have a deep run, he has to be the player they recruited. Come in, make good shot selections & drain them.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts!
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He just hasn't been that good. He looks easily distracted on defense.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Here's where I disagree. We are thin, but we aren't short on bodies to the point where we are forced to play a guy for long stretches that the coaches don't trust.

And while I will agree it's hard to get in a rhythm only playing 2-3 minutes at a time, what he's doing in practice and when he does get into games is the very thing that is restricting him to 2-3 minute stretches. It's clear that the coaches are done trying to make the Dubar project work. At this point, they seem happy to put him out there for a few minutes in the 1st half to buy some minutes for the 7 guys ahead of him, and then he comes back out. They're done trying to give him opportunities to prove himself.

I'm sick of people quoting his Hofstra stats. This isn't Hofstra, it's not the CAA, and he isn't offensive priority #1. What he was able to do as the primary option for a low-major team has no bearing on his ability at the SEC level. It's an apples to aardvarks comparison.

We've primarily succeeded (22-5) with 2 weeks left in the regular season and only playing a 7-man rotation. So the notion that somehow trying to shoehorn a bad fit who is our 2nd worst player into playing more minutes in the most important stretch of the season is a curious take. We may not go far in the postseason, but I can promise you it won't be because we didn't play Darlinstone Dubar more minutes. If the coaches thought he could help, they'd have played him more long before late-Februrary.
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People who want Dubar to get more PT and shot opportunities based on his Hofstra stats are the same people who thought James Daniel needed to be a primary scoring option for us in his one season here just because he averaged 27 ppg at Howard even though on court performance said otherwise.
 
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jw0595 said:
Haven't been on here in a while. Clearly UT has some depth issues. One that I can't figure out is Dubar. How can a player go from the best player on a team to damned near insignificant? I realize the SEC is much tougher, but the goals are the same height. He just looks like he could bring so much more to the table. Is this a defense thing? There are some really astute BB fans on this forum, so I am hoping for some thoughts. IMO, for the Vols to have a deep run, he has to be the player they recruited. Come in, make good shot selections & drain them.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts!
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Don’t overthink it. He just isn’t a big time player at this level. He has a role for us. His lackluster performance on both ends of the floor has dictated that he be a role player.
 
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