Dave Clawson on sabbatical

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KriegerVOL said:
Incidentally, and only from my outside baseball knowledge of that time, Phil didn't really want to hire him. That's why it was so easy to fire him. Switching lineman 'strong to quick' doesn't work in realistic competitive big college football anymore. Hasn't worked for years.
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Hamilton hamstrung him with salary aspects of the hire. Make no mistake, Clawson was not the highest commanding OC out there but, Fulmer got the best for the money allowance.

Aside, who was the kid that CLK sent away that turned Clemson around? QB?
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Compton could not understand the Clawfense.

End of that.

Bet Dave has collected a lot of hotel points by now.
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Some guys need the right man at QB for the offense to click. Others seem to make it work with whoever is under center. Being able to keep it simple is very undervalued.

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Academics has become an excuse for embattled coaches. Champions of Life, so to speak.
 
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KriegerVOL said:
We'll fool them with this bubble screen. This time it's gonna work!
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#1fulmerite said:
Hamilton hamstrung him with salary aspects of the hire. Make no mistake, Clawson was not the highest commanding OC out there but, Fulmer got the best for the money allowance.

Aside, who was the kid that CLK sent away that turned Clemson around? QB?
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Tahj Boyd I believe
 
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Another coach who’s tired of the NIL and portal era and hanging it up?
 
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volmandu said:
Yep. Not sure how people have this 'myth' about Clawson winning everywhere. In 11 years at Wake, dude lost 5 or more games every year except one year and lost 8 or more games 4 years.
I know its not an elite football school but that conference (ACC) has many below average schools and any good coach would win a lot.
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What he did there was the best run in program history….. let that sink in…. That’s how bad the program has been historically. They’re the ACC’s version of Vandy….. but worse. Based on this, I think he did a pretty good job. ….. I wouldn’t want him as a coach though
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Compton could not understand the Clawfense.

End of that.

Bet Dave has collected a lot of hotel points by now.
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The word back then was the offensive line couldn't understand it either. Some people went as far as questioning the linemen's intelligence.
 
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It was not the Clawfense when he coached here. Fulmer hijacked it and put a lot of his stuff in per people that actually played. The team mostly won in spite of Fulmer and once he was in charge you saw the effects. Sanders was only partially interrupted by him and Cut did his own thing. Claw, not so much.
 
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loosecannon said:
It was not the Clawfense when he coached here. Fulmer hijacked it and put a lot of his stuff in per people that actually played. The team mostly won in spite of Fulmer and once he was in charge you saw the effects. Sanders was only partially interrupted by him and Cut did his own thing. Claw, not so much.
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That’s what I always heard. I had a friend who got recruited by TN as a QB during this time and he spent time studying Clawson’s offense. The things Clawson ran with his offense before Fulmer stifled his creativity was completely different.
 
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adam.vol said:
That’s what I always heard. I had a friend who got recruited by TN as a QB during this time and he spent time studying Clawson’s offense. The things Clawson ran with his offense before Fulmer stifled his creativity was completely different.
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...in space...
 
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adam.vol said:
That’s what I always heard. I had a friend who got recruited by TN as a QB during this time and he spent time studying Clawson’s offense. The things Clawson ran with his offense before Fulmer stifled his creativity was completely different.
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Fulmer was slipping so badly. People have no clue how much he was propped up by his assistants who were tired of him. He recruited, meddled, and then fell asleep. That was all he did by the end. A friend of mine who played OL there said that on recruiting visits he would get kids names and schools wrong and in OL meetings he would sit in the back of the room and eat the cookies that Jimmy Ray Stevens’s wife would make for the OL meetings until he fell asleep.
 
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loosecannon said:
Fulmer was slipping so badly. People have no clue how much he was propped up by his assistants who were tired of him. He recruited, meddled, and then fell asleep. That was all he did by the end. A friend of mine who played OL there said that on recruiting visits he would get kids names and schools wrong and in OL meetings he would sit in the back of the room and eat the cookies that Jimmy Ray Stevens’s wife would make for the OL meetings until he fell asleep.
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I didn’t know that much. Sounds like Fulmer became the man that he got fired years earlier. His big belly probably told himself that cookies and a naps are OK, as long as it’s not alcohol.
 
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adam.vol said:
I didn’t know that much. Sounds like Fulmer became the man that he got fired years earlier. His big belly probably told himself that cookies and a naps are OK, as long as it’s not alcohol.
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I like the guy. I have met him and my dad and him are friendly, but he really had lost it. The fire was gone and everyone in the program knew it. He wanted to win but wasn’t willing to keep doing what was needed to win.

He had an assistant whose job it was to tell him who the recruits were and who they played and how the games went while on visits. In one story I heard he said “how bout them X” to a recruit and the recruit’s team had just been destroyed by that team. The kid signed anyways, but it was just indicative of how things went. He was one of the greatest recruiters in CFB history and was a good coach when he was on fire.
 
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loosecannon said:
I like the guy. I have met him and my dad and him are friendly, but he really had lost it. The fire was gone and everyone in the program knew it. He wanted to win but wasn’t willing to keep doing what was needed to win.

He had an assistant whose job it was to tell him who the recruits were and who they played and how the games went while on visits. In one story I heard he said “how bout them X” to a recruit and the recruit’s team had just been destroyed by that team. The kid signed anyways, but it was just indicative of how things went. He was one of the greatest recruiters in CFB history and was a good coach when he was on fire.
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After 2005 someone got in Fulmer’s ass. He lost a bunch of weight and somehow got Cutcliff to come back for a year. 2006 was a good year with a not so great team.

Fulmer came to one of the rec league basketball games to watch his players whip up on me and my team around that time. Those guys were strong.
 
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volmandu said:
You are judged by your results, not what could have been (ifs and butts). Saban adapted to changing landscaping with only losing more than 2 games a season only once (2010) after his first one at AL. Do you not remember how dysfunctional 2008 offense was ? How everyone ran around clueless while Crompton threw pick after pick ? This post is almost akin to saying our defense would have been great had we given sunseri more time.

Clawson's schemes are 'good' for smaller school ... they were a disaster in SEC and he never made the jump anywhere big ever .. Its not like Clawson was burning it up at Wake. His teams lost 5 or more games every year except one of the 11 years he was there. 4 years out of 11, they lost 8 or more games ... near half time 8 or more lol.

Fulmer lost battles in recruiting as well as adapting which lead to end of his great career. No way to sugarcoat it.
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What if you were told Nico threw as many picks this year as Crompton did in 2008?
 
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