Dave Hart

#27
#27
bobkitten said:
Doesn't matter if there is more money or not. While the players are, individually, WOMEN, not "ladies," they ARE the Lady Vols!
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I'm just planting a seed for thought.....If I was forced to give up my identity to become another one... I would want equal benefit from the pool the other one swims in...

If forced to give up my name. Give half of the proceeds to the boys and half to the girls...Only fair.
 
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CJ, I'm a dyed in the wool Lady Vol fan, but your statement that it is only fair to give half of athletic department proceeds to each gender is fairly ludicrous. The economically "fair" method would be to let each sport, male or female, pay for itself. But, under that definition of "fair", all of the women's sports and most of the men's sports, other than football and basketball, would cease to exist.

What would be truly fair, would be to bring NCAA sports back under the umbrella of the schools. Coaches would be professors, and paid as such, with recognition of the fact that their jobs require more in the way of time and travel than the average prof. The balance of funds generated by athletics would go into the general fund to support scholarships and intramurals for all students. Is it practical to expect that such a radical change in the business structure of the behemoth that has grown from major college sports will occur? Absolutely not! The fact is that major college football has grown into a business that is only tangentially related to "college", and that is not going to change anytime soon, unless the players are successful in a determination to be paid, in which case, you may see colleges disassociate themselves from the business and a restructuring of the the remaining NCAA collegiate sports may occur.

In the meantime, the reality is that an athletic director is going to be driven by, and loyal to, the department's cash cow (in most cases, football) and politics is going to insure that women's sports and the lesser men's sports continue to exist and that is as fair as it's going to get.

Jim
 
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CannonVol80 said:
CJ, I'm a dyed in the wool Lady Vol fan, but your statement that it is only fair to give half of athletic department proceeds to each gender is fairly ludicrous. The economically "fair" method would be to let each sport, male or female, pay for itself. But, under that definition of "fair", all of the women's sports and most of the men's sports, other than football and basketball, would cease to exist.

What would be truly fair, would be to bring NCAA sports back under the umbrella of the schools. Coaches would be professors, and paid as such, with recognition of the fact that their jobs require more in the way of time and travel than the average prof. The balance of funds generated by athletics would go into the general fund to support scholarships and intramurals for all students. Is it practical to expect that such a radical change in the business structure of the behemoth that has grown from major college sports will occur? Absolutely not! The fact is that major college football has grown into a business that is only tangentially related to "college", and that is not going to change anytime soon, unless the players are successful in a determination to be paid, in which case, you may see colleges disassociate themselves from the business and a restructuring of the the remaining NCAA collegiate sports may occur.

In the meantime, the reality is that an athletic director is going to be driven by, and loyal to, the department's cash cow (in most cases, football) and politics is going to insure that women's sports and the lesser men's sports continue to exist and that is as fair as it's going to get.

Jim
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of course it is ludicrous, but so is taking away the beloved LV logo. This program is the Lady Vols. , , Their logo is an unique as they are...However, if the university wants to execute the trademark for this program, then replace it with a real offer...Not to just say the women's program can't have their distinctive logo.
 
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feathersax said:
Ax to grind?
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he wants to be done with womens sports,it is just a bother to him and i can go back to when he let go Wilcox and company to bring in our pal Sal

he has backed into hiring CBJ and the mens basketball coach,he hasn't really done a lot,oh and hired Tyndall after a not so stellar vetting process

do you want me to go on ?

and he has made it a point to drop everything Lady Vol related,that he can


so yes .i do have an axe to grind,I just wished it was sharp enough
 
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Well he's gone in June 2017 ladies. Last one to leave in here, sweep up the meth. :matrix:
 
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I personally like the man. I have had conversations with him many times. I cant say I agree with everything he has done at UT. But, he was brought here to do certain things as UT AD....he did them and well!
 
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HoopDR said:
I personally like the man. I have had conversations with him many times. I cant say I agree with everything he has done at UT. But, he was brought here to do certain things as UT AD....he did them and well!
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He sure got UT in the headlines a lot. But not all press is good press. Good riddance! Retire now, avoid the rush!
 
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VollyParton said:
He sure got UT in the headlines a lot. But not all press is good press. Good riddance! Retire now, avoid the rush!
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Hmmmmm...his favorite teams: Golden State Warriors and Kentucky Wildcats. Given those parameters, I might like hart too.

I just hate they took the hart gone thread off the Lady Vol forum and moved it to the football forum. They should have let us rejoice.

And mule, your post this morning (before the wonderful news was released) was awesome!
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
Hmmmmm...his favorite teams: Golden State Warriors and Kentucky Wildcats. Given those parameters, I might like hart too.

I just hate they took the hart gone thread off the Lady Vol forum and moved it to the football forum. They should have let us rejoice.

And mule, your post this morning (before the wonderful news was released) was awesome!
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Smalls....you don't like my Championship Teams. I'd have the Lady Vols on there except my only option is the POWER T.
 
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gule said:
put in your resume, Coach J. :)

We know you wouldn't diss the Ladies!
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In the words of Clint Eastwood, " A man's got to know his limitations"... I know mine... I can coach with the best of em,,, but my administrative skills are a distinct "limitation" of mine.

However, If I did run it from Dave's lofty position,,, they would be saying, , , ,"It's 35 days till its Lady Vol Basketball time in Tennessee"
 
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Logos get changed all the time because their design comes to look dated--meaning OLD. It is what, 35-years old? It is weak-looking, much like the term "lady" is weak. It's 2015, not 1955.
 
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armchair said:
Logos get changed all the time because their design comes to look dated--meaning OLD. It is what, 35-years old? It is weak-looking, much like the term "lady" is weak. It's 2015, not 1955.
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Do you know where the term "Volunteers" came from? What significance is that in 2015?
 
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butchna said:
I think I set her straight. :)
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Oh, brother
You guys know it comes from warring in the early 1800's. Yes, we still volunteer, but we don't out-volunteer the rest of the country like back then. No one wants to dump the archaic nickname "Volunteers". Don't be pootheads.

GLV :good!:
 
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VollyParton said:
Oh, brother
You guys know it comes from warring in the early 1800's. Yes, we still volunteer, but we don't out-volunteer the rest of the country like back then. No one wants to dump the archaic nickname "Volunteers". Don't be pootheads.

GLV :good!:
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"Archaic"? Think it's a term of pride...lil more important than slapping LADY in front of it. If you have more pride in that than the history of our state? Not even trying to discount your love of a logo. Go a different way trying to justify your stance. I'm sure Texas and other states with higher population send more gross military personnel to the ranks, but I'd bet Tennessee is near or at the top in per capita.
 
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butchna said:
"Archaic"? Think it's a term of pride...lil more important than slapping LADY in front of it. If you have more pride in that than the history of our state? Not even trying to discount your love of a logo. Go a different way trying to justify your stance. I'm sure Texas and other states with higher population send more gross military personnel to the ranks, but I'd bet Tennessee is near or at the top in per capita.
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Ok, how about "no one wants to dump the proud, archaic nickname 'Volunteers'"?
 
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VollyParton said:
Ok, how about "no one wants to dump the proud, archaic nickname 'Volunteers'"?
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How about dump that whole aspect of your argument? Unless being stubbornly ignorant on that point equals your love of the word "archaic"? :)
 
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