Dave Hart's approval rating?

[peelwonder]

I'm going to say 7-8 wins next year and contending for SEC in 2014

Pass me what you're smoking.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

I going to withhold blame on Dave Hart as a number of writers etc. and media folks have said the blame lies with Cheek and some of the administrators on the academic side for the downfall so to speak of Tennessee Athletics.

Keep in mind no matter how good a coach, Coach Jones is if we can't get recruits into school that other SEC schools can then we will never get back to the top echelon of Southeastern Conference.

If you have a kid that passes the NCAA & SEC Clearing House then he should be let into the University of Tennessee!

 

[ankh83]

It's a hard argument to have since none of the facts are public and people will make different assumptions based on who they believe about what actually went down. That said, from my perspective, it appears to me that AD Hart was hell-bent on not hiring Gruden from the get-go. [LWS, Skeeter] If that was the case, he didn't need to waste the first 11 days of the search (or whatever it was) killing that deal AND letting it fester and grow into this conquering hero legend within the fan base. He appears to have spent the majority of the last 20 days messing with that at the expense of having a good plan for who he was actually going to try to hire. Point two - if he wasn't going to announce the hire the day of Fulmer's HOF ceremony (which I agree with and respect), he should not have offered the job to Strong that day. [Hubbs] If he had waited to offer Strong until Wednesday, it would have been quickly announced (like Bielema and Malzahn) and Strong would not have had time to renege. Third, by several accounts, there was a period of time when Strong and Gundy both had offers. [Hubbs] If true, that's not a good thing. I also kind of have a further issue but it gets into the hiring of bUTch and I'm gonna leave it alone. (Nothing about Coach Jones himself, just a further question about the process.)

That's my perspective. Based on your question, it sounds like you may have a different belief of what actually happened which would, understandably, lead you to a different take on the way it was handled.

I believe this coaching caracell tought me the meaning of the words "source" and "inside information." I don't have enough facts to make a claim either way. I do not feel like the University was represented as it should be, and that may be it.

This is taking a risk... very true statement. But you cant tell me that Ala Gruden would not be a huge risk as well. Truly this is the safer hire. Gruden is worth more because he sells himself, it's a name. He knows enough X & O's to make it inevitably work. Jones is a youngish motivational coach. He seems a bit fake to me. His "Best staff in the nation" line /vs his OC DC hurt his credibility. Unless his DC drops to linebackers and he brings in a name recruits will recognize. :superman:

I like the guy, I hope he does well. This recruiting class will tell us if we can look foreword to all this excitement in three years! CBJ needs to sell himself, and recruits know who he is. The question is can he recruit top notch talent. He has to figure out how to convince a kid why he should come here over Florida, Georgia, A&M, LSU, and d*mn it Vandy. It's a hard sell and if he doesn't make it, legit, it's his career.

Jones probably has a clue how to handle college football logistics. Gruden does not.

The fact that it was predicted, and he has funny shaped eyelids, makes me question the process as well...

Go Vols.

 

[InVOLuntary]

disagree. Luck will only carry you so far and if he does succeed here, it's because he and his staff have done a good job.

I'm not saying that Jones will get by on luck. I am saying Hart would have gotten lucky if he succeeds. Not many will argue that this is a risky hire. Risk implies chance. Chance evolves luck. I give him a 25% chance to be a SEC championship level coach and a 50% chance of being a 8-9 win coach. Obviously time will tell.

 

[bcartervol98]

Pass me what you're smoking.

You probably couldn't afford it lol. K
Jk.

Seriously, he has done it at his other two coaching jobs, no reason in my mind to not think that's very possible here as well.

 

[PPPpartsp3]

You probably couldn't afford it lol. K
Jk.

Seriously, he has done it at his other two coaching jobs, no reason in my mind to not think that's very possible here as well.

This is winning conference co-championships in the Big East:

Sagarin Ratings
2011
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
30 Cincinnati 10 3 68.43( 73) 0 0 | 0 1

2012
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30
45 Cincinnati 63.85( 99) 0 0 | 0 0


There are a lot more of the top 10 and top 30 on UT's schedule.

 

[KnoxSkiVol]

I personally want to give Hart and Cheek a negative rating on this search. However, I am ready to get behind CBJ and give him a chance. I really think he has the passion for UT and could pan out with a few good recruits.

 

[Godfatha]

You probably couldn't afford it lol. K
Jk.

Seriously, he has done it at his other two coaching jobs, no reason in my mind to not think that's very possible here as well.

I'm willing to give him a chance, but doing it in the Big East and doing it in the SEC are two vastly different things. Even if he is a great coach, our team speed on defense is so atrocious that it will take at least a couple of years to fix it.

 

[bcartervol98]

I'm willing to give him a chance, but doing it in the Big East and doing it in the SEC are two vastly different things. Even if he is a great coach, our team speed on defense is so atrocious that it will take at least a couple of years to fix it.

Yes the D is not going to be top 5 next year but last year pursuit angles were consistently terrible and no one seemed to even try to fix that.

And he played big east teams with big east talent. Now he will be playing SEC teams with SEC talent. He has won everywhere he has been, and has been very highly regarded. He is endorsed by enough people that are experts on football to offset armchair message board analysis. His last name is not Gruden so many will never be happy. If he went 12-0 they would say he got lucky and if he goes 0-12 they will say I told ya so lol. It's just noise.

 

[Godfatha]

Yes the D is not going to be top 5 next year but last year pursuit angles were consistently terrible and no one seemed to even try to fix that.

And he played big east teams with big east talent. Now he will be playing SEC teams with SEC talent. He has won everywhere he has been, and has been very highly regarded. He is endorsed by enough people that are experts on football to offset armchair message board analysis. His last name is not Gruden so many will never be happy. If he went 12-0 they would say he got lucky and if he goes 0-12 they will say I told ya so lol. It's just noise.

I know what you mean. I think he is a good coach and will get it done here. I only take exception to winning the SEC in 2014. There is too much of a talent gap to make that happen. That's no reflection on him as a coach, moreso the previous coach's failure at recruiting defensive talent.

 

[bcartervol98]

I know what you mean. I think he is a good coach and will get it done here. I only take exception to winning the SEC in 2014. There is too much of a talent gap to make that happen. That's no reflection on him as a coach, moreso the previous coach's failure at recruiting defensive talent.

I said contending, make no mistake I am not predicting an SEC win in 2014 lol, at all. I am saying we will, with a real coach, not be out of contention the first week of October if Coach Jones repeats what he has done at every other job; win with conference talent vs other teams with that conference talent. Those saying he will not win here because the Bug East is softer than the SEC are clueless imo. He has only proven to be a winner, and losing is not anywhere on his résumé. Contending for the SEC means going into the Third Saturday undefeated. Putting Florida, Georgia and South Car back in their place. Coach Jones can do that here, people should give him a chance.

 

[Elhanan]

Other:

Could go either way.

I'll get behind it and give the guy a chance though.

 

[Press]

It is all just a big fantasy.
To me it has nothing to do with how Jones does. It is more about the approach the UT administration has taken in every coaching search they have been in in the last 15 years. I get so tired of hearing "well this is the best we could hope to do given the state of our program at the present time". Very few times is a program at the top when they are in a coaching search. South Carolina was down when they hired Spurrier, Alabama was down when they hired Saban, LSU was down when they hired Miles, Kentucky basketball was down when they hired Callapari and UNC was down when they hired Roy Williams. The Tennessee administration is just not willing to do what it takes to hire a big time coach in any sport. They would rather hire a budget coach and hope he pans out rather than spend the money and get a high profile coach that could turn things around quickly. At the very best, Jones might have the Vols back in the hunt for a championship in 4 years and that is on the optimistic side. In the mean time they have everyone believing the fantasy that they are committed to doing what it takes to be competitive.
I'm over the whole mess.

 

[angrypug]

I'm all for coach jones and hope he does great. Seems like a good guy outside of all the job shopping he did last week.

Having said that, The level of expertise hart claims he has is a joke. This guy basically had to take what he could get which is a shame. I do think coach jones will do a pretty good job but it will not be because of hart.

 

[Webbvol32]

I see the base is about 65% in support of Hart. I am 100% behind Hart&Jones! GO VOLS!
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[rkvdg]

I dont like my options so dave who. Give me
"dave must go and take cheeks with him but I support my coach until time I see fit to go NEGA."
yes I like that option

 

[TheJonesEra]

On a scale of one to ten I'll give it a -1. No offense to coach Jones but this hire was well below what should be expected at the University of Tennessee. Coach Jones may turn out to be a fantastic hire but if he does it will be because of sheer luck.

Luck? That my friend, is an ignorant statement! I lol'd at that. Luck wont get you anywhere in the SEC, its from busting your hump to get good recruits and assembling a good staff. CBJ has a winning record regardless of where-ever he may go! Yes it may not be there in the SEC, but look at his records. You don't win Conference titles and have 6 bowl appearances just by luck, its called being schooled on the game!:dance2:

 

[NashVol11]

It is all just a big fantasy.
To me it has nothing to do with how Jones does. It is more about the approach the UT administration has taken in every coaching search they have been in in the last 15 years. I get so tired of hearing "well this is the best we could hope to do given the state of our program at the present time". Very few times is a program at the top when they are in a coaching search. South Carolina was down when they hired Spurrier, Alabama was down when they hired Saban, LSU was down when they hired Miles, Kentucky basketball was down when they hired Callapari and UNC was down when they hired Roy Williams. The Tennessee administration is just not willing to do what it takes to hire a big time coach in any sport. They would rather hire a budget coach and hope he pans out rather than spend the money and get a high profile coach that could turn things around quickly. At the very best, Jones might have the Vols back in the hunt for a championship in 4 years and that is on the optimistic side. In the mean time they have everyone believing the fantasy that they are committed to doing what it takes to be competitive.
I'm over the whole mess.

I wish more of our fans thought this clearly.

 

[InVOLuntary]

It is all just a big fantasy.
To me it has nothing to do with how Jones does. It is more about the approach the UT administration has taken in every coaching search they have been in in the last 15 years. I get so tired of hearing "well this is the best we could hope to do given the state of our program at the present time". Very few times is a program at the top when they are in a coaching search. South Carolina was down when they hired Spurrier, Alabama was down when they hired Saban, LSU was down when they hired Miles, Kentucky basketball was down when they hired Callapari and UNC was down when they hired Roy Williams. The Tennessee administration is just not willing to do what it takes to hire a big time coach in any sport. They would rather hire a budget coach and hope he pans out rather than spend the money and get a high profile coach that could turn things around quickly. At the very best, Jones might have the Vols back in the hunt for a championship in 4 years and that is on the optimistic side. In the mean time they have everyone believing the fantasy that they are committed to doing what it takes to be competitive.
I'm over the whole mess.

Open the checkbook and they will come. It's as simple as that. When you open the checkbook it shows that you are committed to winning. I am not saying just throw money around at anybody but if you show a willingness to spend the money I think you may be surprised at who might listen.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Luck? That my friend, is an ignorant statement! I lol'd at that. Luck wont get you anywhere in the SEC, its from busting your hump to get good recruits and assembling a good staff. CBJ has a winning record regardless of where-ever he may go! Yes it may not be there in the SEC, but look at his records. You don't win Conference titles and have 6 bowl appearances just by luck, its called being schooled on the game!:dance2:

OK, I am going to attempt to explain this one more time for the people that obviously have a reading comprehension problem. I DID NOT SAY THAT CBJ WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL BY BEING LUCKY. I SAID THAT IF CBJ WAS SUCCESSFUL THAT DAVE HART WOULD'VE GOTTEN LUCKY! I LOL at people who cannot read.