David Brooks: GOP losing the center

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TennNC said:
that's BS. He knows full well what he's doing. What he's fomenting. There's a difference between saying someone's inexperienced, or arrogant, and calling someone a fascist.
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No it isn't, this is what his show has been about since he has been on radio.

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Also, how is the whole redistribution topic not marxism?

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TennNC said:
I understand you're a conservative, and it should pain you that your ideals have been bastardized by a party more motivated to divide than heal.
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It definitely pains me to move away from what I believe the conservative movement is about. It pains me that conservatives have somehow been lumped in with Bush. It pains me that the Dem movement has moved toward more conservative candidates to win some congressional seats, correctly seeing the writing on the wall that America just doesn't like the left wing end of the party, yet this administration has been so far from anything conservative that the country is now going to elect the most liberal man to ever run for the office.

I don't believe the repub party is as bent of divisiveness as the democratic party, which makes its living on class politics. I don't think that healing is some necessary event that has to take place. That's political garbage-speak, IMO. I think the conservative movement is about less government and less spending and needs to go back there immediately, fringe issues be damned. W could have engaged in all of that garbage, successfully or not, and been fine had he been a fiscal conservative. He was actually more of a liberal spender than Clinton was and the conservative movement has been set back considerably for it.

It pains me greatly when a guy like Brooks talks about this set of conservatives who believes in limited gov't helping more people move up socially. I don't buy that in the least. Those people aren't conservative. They're simply less liberal than the die hards Pelosi and Biden crowd. They have almost nothing in common with a conservative.
 
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MontereyVol said:
And yet, you keep watching him..... and he keeps making money.
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listening. radio.

i want to know what the other side is saying.

i'm listening to whatever right-wing talk shows I can. some are absurd. glenn beck and levin are two of them - they're losing their minds. surprisingly, I've also found some more respectable, moderate observers, like brian and the judge. they seem to know what's happening, and though they don't like obama, they know the blame lies with their own party and recognize that obama is connecting with people their party used to connect with.
 
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TennNC said:
nope, b/c the facts tell me more independents and moderates are on my side. Any pain I'm feeling in life has nothing to do with this issue.
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the pure divisiveness in a campaign built around hammering the top 5% (forget that it's an absolute lie) is lost on you?
 
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TennNC said:
they know the blame lies with their own party and recognize that obama is connecting with people their party used to connect with.
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I think the blame clearly lies with the R party. Conservatives have not been vocal enough in blistering this admin.

I buy to a limited degree the Obama is connecting thing, but it's more about people voting against Bush than for Obama.

I also think Obama is likely motivating the quasi-hippie college crowd to donate, speak and vote in droves. This loonies combined with the anti-Bush crew are more than enough to result in a landslide.
 
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TennNC said:
listening. radio.

i want to know what the other side is saying.

i'm listening to whatever right-wing talk shows I can. some are absurd. glenn beck and levin are two of them - they're losing their minds. surprisingly, I've also found some more respectable, moderate observers, like brian and the judge. they seem to know what's happening, and though they don't like obama, they know the blame lies with their own party and recognize that obama is connecting with people their party used to connect with.
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You really believe that. That really blows me away because all they are going is selling their show.

Either do this all the freakin' time...
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I think the blame clearly lies with the R party. Conservatives have not been vocal enough in blistering this admin.

I buy to a limited degree the Obama is connecting thing, but it's more about people voting against Bush than for Obama.

I also think Obama is likely motivating the quasi-hippie college crowd to donate, speak and vote in droves. This loonies combined with the anti-Bush crew are more than enough to result in a landslide.
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Enough to make a movie about a sitting president?
 
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I really am going to miss this forum when we no longer have anything to talk about! Except maybe the horrible job Obama is doing!:)
 
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KB5252 said:
I really am going to miss this forum when we no longer have anything to talk about! Except maybe the horrible job Obama is doing!:)
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There will always be something to talk about......

If Bill Clinton was going to make the bloods and the crypts secret police, just imagine what will be thought of with Obama in the White House.
 
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TennNC said:
While nutjobs like Glenn Beck have shown their true colors by spending their time stirring up fear of a "Socialist, Communist and Fascist" Obama presidency, reasonable observers like David Brooks call it like it is.
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You call Glenn Beck a nutjob but I guess Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman are objective huh?
 
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TennNC said:
While nutjobs like Glenn Beck have shown their true colors by spending their time stirring up fear of a "Socialist, Communist and Fascist" Obama presidency, reasonable observers like David Brooks call it like it is.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/opinion/26brooks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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if you think that obama isn't a socialist or marxist then you are truly ignorant. you really should more and not NYT puff pieces. this guy has an agenda to make America a socialist country. he believes that it is America's duty to give retribution to every minority in America or in the world.
 
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TennNC is a lot of things....but he isn't ignorant.

My best guess is that deep down he is trying to make up for being a Bush supporter at one time.
 
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Lexvol said:
TennNC is a lot of things....but he isn't ignorant.

My best guess is that deep down he is trying to make up for being a Bush supporter at one time.
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we all get 'em wrong at times.

TennNC is definitely not ignorant, but he's every bit as knee jerk Obama as he wants to believe I am conservative. However, his is just objectivity, mine is just me being close-minded.
 
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Lexvol said:
TennNC is a lot of things....but he isn't ignorant.

My best guess is that deep down he is trying to make up for being a Bush supporter at one time.
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maybe not ignorant but naive. if he thinks that obama is going to help this country. his speached just drip of socialism and social injustice. i mean when you complain that our courts should have address redistribution in the same way as they looked at civil rights. he think that America should have given minorities more money as retribution. that is very scary.
 
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joevol320 said:
maybe not ignorant but naive. if he thinks that obama is going to help this country. his speached just drip of socialism and social injustice. i mean when you complain that our courts should have address redistribution in the same way as they looked at civil rights. he think that America should have given minorities more money as retribution. that is very scary.
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Yes it is scary.....almost as scary as handing 700 billion over to a bunch of crybaby captilists to save their rich asses.

Therein lies the problem for McCain and Bush. The public perception is that they just redistributed a lot of wealth to the wealthy.
 
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Lexvol said:
Yes it is scary.....almost as scary as handing 700 billion over to a bunch of crybaby captilists to save their rich asses.

Therein lies the problem for McCain and Bush. The public perception is that they just redistributed a lot of wealth to the wealthy.
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lest your forget so soon. it was the government/dems who encouraging them to give the bad loans. it was the dems who told freddie and fannie they would back them. i disagree about the bill, but it was another failed attempt of socialism.
 
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joevol320 said:
lest your forget so soon. it was the government/dems who encouraging them to give the bad loans. it was the dems who told freddie and fannie they would back them. i disagree about the bill, but it was another failed attempt of socialism.
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he's not talking about cause and effect. He's talking about public perception.
 
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joevol320 said:
lest your forget so soon. it was the government/dems who encouraging them to give the bad loans. it was the dems who told freddie and fannie they would back them. i disagree about the bill, but it was another failed attempt of socialism.
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So...there were no lenders lobbying for the change. Look JoeV I am conservative, but to pretend that some in the banking industry were not complicit in the deal is simply a fairy tale.

Everybody had something to make. The bailout was put in place to save 401ks and as a CYA for congress. In a perfect world half of the hill would be marching in lock step to the jail house over this.
 
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Lexvol said:
So...there were no lenders lobbying for the change. Look JoeV I am conservative, but to pretend that some in the banking industry were not complicit in the deal is simply a fairy tale.

Everybody had something to make. The bailout was put in place to save 401ks and as a CYA for congress. In a perfect world half of the hill would be marching in lock step to the jail house over this.
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Bush and mccain both warned about freddie and fannie. it was the dems who blocked any type of oversite. it was the dems who bashed the freddie and fanny watchdog that appeared before congress. this financial mess is the dems fault. the problems is that the main culprits are still in powerfull positions. chris dod and barney frank.
 
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joevol320 said:
Bush and mccain both warned about freddie and fannie. it was the dems who blocked any type of oversite. it was the dems who bashed the freddie and fanny watchdog that appeared before congress. this financial mess is the dems fault. the problems is that the main culprits are still in powerfull positions. chris dod and barney frank.
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If it were that simple the GOP would have bent them over a barrel.

Nothing is that simple.

McCain could have really helped himself by calling for investigations and including legislation that actually fixed some of the current lending practices before signing off on the bill.
 
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