Dawinists standing on the panic button.

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IPorange said:
The history channel has had some really cool documentaries on the apocrypha that threw me for a loop. What constitutes "the Bible" isn't nearly as cut and dried as it was presented to me in Sunday School.

But reading a little Hawking can make you really wonder about things, in terms of how complex the universe is and the nature of time, which to me tends to lend some credence to an omnipotent creator.

I have no answers, but I do love these types of discussion.
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There is a lot of stuff that Sunday School does not tell you.

There is also a lot of stuff that drives me crazy when poeple point at the bible and say, see this is crazy. All you have to do is stop and read the text and figure out what it means.

A lot of popular misconceptions repeated on this board.

The eye for eye......... this has nothing to do with cutting someone elses eye out. It has every thing to do with compensation for what the eye is worth.

A second good one of the Sun and Moon staying in the sky for Joshua. Seriously???? I know what Sunday school says but is it really that hard to figure out?

Read the text, Joshua used military tactics and attacked before day break which explains the sun and the moon being in the sky. It also tells you that Joshua's enemies fought into the sun.

Then a new one hit the board as to why Jesus was crucified. People, he was crucified because he wrecked the temple. Both the Roman and Jewish authority had an understanding of the struggle for power in the region. Either did not want an uprising and this was the reason why Jesus was crucified.

:banghead2:
 
#277
#277
IPorange said:
I played soccer with a Jesus (pronounced it "hey-Zeus). He definitely walked the Earth, and had a mean bicycle kick as well.
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Either way, I would love to see if rdj can ignore/skirt the historicity and say that Jesus Christ did not walk the Earth.
 
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#278
IPorange said:
The history channel has had some really cool documentaries on the apocrypha that threw me for a loop. What constitutes "the Bible" isn't nearly as cut and dried as it was presented to me in Sunday School.

But reading a little Hawking can make you really wonder about things, in terms of how complex the universe is and the nature of time, which to me tends to lend some credence to an omnipotent creator.

I have no answers, but I do love these types of discussion.
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I love watching those things on the History Channel but I'm also a little guarded about what they say because you never know their motives.

Yea, that's pretty surprising.
 
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#280
OrangeEmpire said:

There is a lot of stuff that Sunday School does not tell you.

There is also a lot of stuff that drives me crazy when poeple point at the bible and say, see this is crazy. All you have to do is stop and read the text and figure out what it means.

A lot of popular misconceptions repeated on this board.

The eye for eye......... this has nothing to do with cutting someone elses eye out. It has every thing to do with compensation for what the eye is worth.

A second good one of the Sun and Moon staying in the sky for Joshua. Seriously???? I know what Sunday school says but is it really that hard to figure out?

Read the text, Joshua used military tactics and attacked before day break which explains the sun and the moon being in the sky. It also tells you that Joshua's enemies fought into the sun.

Then a new one hit the board as to why Jesus was crucified. People, he was crucified because he wrecked the temple. Both the Roman and Jewish authority had an understanding of the struggle for power in the region. Either did not want an uprising and this was the reason why Jesus was crucified.

:banghead2:
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I can't bold because you are already bolded. I can't underline... well you get the point... but I've never understood why the eye for eye is so tough for people to get??

Then again I never knew people could read the Bible and think God views woman as property until this thread.
 
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JZVOL said:
I can't bold because you are already bolded. I can't underline... well you get the point... but I've never understood why the eye for eye is so tough for people to get??

Then again I never knew people could read the Bible and think God views woman as property until this thread.
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Did I miss that?

:blink:
 
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#283
JZVOL said:
True. And for the most part they (HC) seem pretty even about people coming from both sides. I can't say the same for Discovery Channel.
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NATGEO has some good stuff. Although their revelation interpretation is a little off.

No matter what you do, the prophesy always deals with the current event, you have to talk about Nero and the Roman Legions in the Holy Land.
 
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rjd970 said:
Exodus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's."

Wanting what your neighbor has drives capitalism and innovation.

It's also interesting, along with every other piece of property, the neighbors wife is included. That alone tells me God couldn't have really meant this garbage.
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rjd970 said:
How do we not interpret the scripture to say someone's wife is considered property?
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OrangeEmpire said:
Did I miss that?

:blink:
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Enjoy.
 
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#285
While we are speaking about documentaries what are your thoughts about the Bible Code?
 
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JZVOL said:
Enjoy.
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Seriously, we are talking about old testament law. Of course the wife would be included into every thing.

:banghead2:

Where are the straws at?

collins-straws.jpg
 
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oklavol said:
until they start predicting events before they happen, its never go to be taken seriously.
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They made several.............. didn't work out so well.

I think the last major one was a Russian sponsored middle east state using nuclear weapons against Israel.

Oh wait...
 
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emainvol said:
If that was in their report, you should have no problem backing it up. I don't think asking for sources on some of these outlandish claims is too much.
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I am backing it up.

I explained to you that Clinton and company deep sixed the report and had the FBI rewrite that portion using different criteria.

I knew (and still know) someone who worked in the office at the time.

Would there be a problem proving the Clinton administration suppressed evidence and cut short investigations into the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing that concerned islamic terrorist involvement?

Would there be a problem proving the Clinton administration suppressed evidence and cut short investigations into the flight 800 tragedy that involved islamic terrorism??
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
You don't believe Jesus actually walked the Earth?
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It's reasonable to believe he walked the earth. It's the claims to divinity and miracles I think are bougs. Jesus the man had much to say about true compassion and morality that we can all learn from, but it doesn't even begin to prove that he is the son of the almighty creator of everything.
 
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rjd970 said:
It's reasonable to believe he walked the earth. It's the claims to divinity and miracles I think are bougs. Jesus the man had much to say about true compassion and morality that we can all learn from, but it doesn't even begin to prove that he is the son of the almighty creator of everything.
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Just reasonable???????

Seriously?????????????
 
#293
#293
rjd970 said:
It's reasonable to believe he walked the earth. It's the claims to divinity and miracles I think are bougs. Jesus the man had much to say about true compassion and morality that we can all learn from, but it doesn't even begin to prove that he is the son of the almighty creator of everything.
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That's brand new information.


Who said it did?
 
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#294
BigPapaVol said:
and this is the simply weakness that I've been trying to make clear from the beginning. In the end, all else is just talk. We all, if we're honest, come back to this leap of faith about our origins.
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And what I have been saying is the way one come to the conclusion matters. Everything, including religion, is never about the specific belief with me. It is about the reasons why one has the belief. I fully admit I could be dead wrong here. But picking and choosing reasons between empirical evidence and supernatural unfalsifiable claims is the weaker approach. Just about anything can be "proven" when the reasonsing and rules for justifications changes during the investigation.
 
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#295
gsvol said:
I am backing it up.

I explained to you that Clinton and company deep sixed the report and had the FBI rewrite that portion using different criteria.

I knew (and still know) someone who worked in the office at the time.

Would there be a problem proving the Clinton administration suppressed evidence and cut short investigations into the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing that concerned islamic terrorist involvement?

Would there be a problem proving the Clinton administration suppressed evidence and cut short investigations into the flight 800 tragedy that involved islamic terrorism??
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I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just saying, if your only evidence is your word and some guy none of us know, then you can't expect anyone to believe you. When it comes to things like that and such far fetched claims, if you don't have some kind of accessible source, it's better to never throw them out there to begin with. It does nothing for your credibility.
 
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JZVOL said:
That's brand new information.


Who said it did?
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I didn't say anybody said it did. Just saying it is completely possible to believe a man named Jesus walked around in the middle east 2000 years ago with a message of compassion and love, and not believe the divinity part.
 
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#297
rjd970 said:
And what I have been saying is the way one come to the conclusion matters. Everything, including religion, is never about the specific belief with me. It is about the reasons why one has the belief. I fully admit I could be dead wrong here. But picking and choosing reasons between empirical evidence and supernatural unfalsifiable claims is the weaker approach. Just about anything can be "proven" when the reasonsing and rules for justifications changes during the investigation.
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Either way you are putting your faith into something.

You either put it in something man made or believe in a creator. This is nothing more than basic human nature.

One can't prove with science or faith how the world started.
 
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rjd970 said:
And what I have been saying is the way one come to the conclusion matters. Everything, including religion, is never about the specific belief with me. It is about the reasons why one has the belief. I fully admit I could be dead wrong here. But picking and choosing reasons between empirical evidence and supernatural unfalsifiable claims is the weaker approach. Just about anything can be "proven" when the reasonsing and rules for justifications changes during the investigation.
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Isn't the Bible/Christianity pretty clear upfront that it is about faith? Walk by faith, not by sight etc.


Wouldn't the main reason for the belief is wanting to be in Heaven/not wanting to be in Hell?

IMO, these things just aren't as complicated as you make them to be.

I'm all for searching and questioning, but it's still about faith no matter what side you fall on.
 
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#300
rjd970 said:
I didn't say anybody said it did. Just saying it is completely possible to believe a man named Jesus walked around in the middle east 2000 years ago with a message of compassion and love, and not believe the divinity part.
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So then He was only half crazy and half wise and smart?
 
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