Dawn Staley or Vic Schaeffer

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maxvolfan said:
What Pat built in Knoxville, Dawn has built in South Carolina. She is not going anywhere.
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I realize that you may not have even meant to seem like you were seriously comparing the two, but in case you were, that may be a bit of a stretch at this point.

While Dawn has certainly taken an obscure sport at South Carolina and built it into a national-championship-winning program, it may be a bit premature to put her on the same level as Pat, whose program dominated the SEC (and most of the rest of the nation) for 30+ years.

Dawn is doing a helluva job getting folks to pay attention to SC Women's Basketball. I am THRILLED for the game that she's been able to muster the level of support she's been able to achieve.

Proud of her. Happy for her and her program. But she's no Pat. Gonna be a LOT of years before I'm willing to start making any legitimate comparisons between the two. :p
 
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I said at the beginning of the year SC had the most talent and even though they lost some game they shouldn't they found a way to win in the end. This gives us all hope that Holly can win a title with talent because Holly and Dawn coach a lot alike.
 
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lvocd said:
I realize that you may not have even meant to seem like you were seriously comparing the two, but in case you were, that may be a bit of a stretch at this point.

While Dawn has certainly taken an obscure sport at South Carolina and built it into a national-championship-winning program, it may be a bit premature to put her on the same level as Pat, whose program dominated the SEC (and most of the rest of the nation) for 30+ years.

Dawn is doing a helluva job getting folks to pay attention to SC Women's Basketball. I am THRILLED for the game that she's been able to muster the level of support she's been able to achieve.

Proud of her. Happy for her and her program. But she's no Pat. Gonna be a LOT of years before I'm willing to start making any legitimate comparisons between the two. :p
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Yeah this came up earlier so I clarified.


She built a winning program. Everyone knows she's nowhere near what Pat built but she has a program equal to what we have right now. Now we have to battle for supremacy in the SEC where as before it was a cake walk.
 
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ksl415 said:
Well I have to disagree with you that the Lady Vols will not be better Than this past season.
They WILL be much better next season, quote me on that.
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I'll hold you to that. When Pat was pushed out I was all for Holly but up until this point she hasn't shown me that she's capable of pulling this program out of the dump she put it in.
 
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meatysain said:
Part of me feels like you, Im saying to myself we're ****in Tennessee! Pat Summit was the John Wooden of women's basketball. Who wouldn't wanna come here & coach on the second largest platform in women's college basketball?

BUT after tonight being realistic if we do decide to go after Dawn Staley were going to have to up the bucks. Why leave & follow in someone else's footsteps when your laying your own footprint.
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Go after Jesus Christ, I think you could come nearer getting him. I think Staley has made her nest. National women's coach ,NCAA champ and in a recruiting rose garden for women players of the best ability, at least in the south. And on and on. Why come to Tennessee just because of for what we were. They may put her name on the floor at SC someday. They will never remove Pat's name for another women's at UT.
 
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LA Vol said:
Dawn Staley was a slam-dunk hire for SCAR. She was driven to win an NC. It ate at her that she was 0-3 in championship games as a player, and she was determined to win an NC as a coach. Having the singular vision and self-motivation to succeed separates those who want to win from those who'll do whatever it takes to win. UT won't find another Pat, but we can find someone who shares the qualities that made Pat so successful.
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I sure hope so, there ain't many out there.
 
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Vic Scheaffer defeated unbeaten UCON and BAYLOR without a single high school or college All-American.

Fans across the nation are going to remember Mississippi State beating UCON, not USCe beating Mississippi State.
 
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Dawn makes a base salary of 1.1 million and will receive a bonus of almost $600,000 when it's all said and done.

She will have made almost $2 million coaching basketball at the University of South Carolina.

And you know she's about to get a base pay bump for winning the national title AND being the current Women's National Team coach (an exposure/accolade chest bump for UofSC)..

Her base pay could hit the 1.5-1.7 range next year. Any school coming after Dawn is going to need to top that and very few can and/or are willing to for Women's Basketball.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
You are looking at the program as they sit at this moment. I hate identity politics but Dawn Staley is a game changer as you have your first African-American female coach to win a national title. On that fact alone she may have her pick of the next wave of young African American talent most of which sits in he NY to Atlanta cooridor which is an easy drive to Columbia. She has the buy in from her fan base as shown by the attendance numbers. Further she's a young coach. It's not completely unbelievable that she might finish her career in 20 years or so with 5 titles at SC. At that point South Carolina will stand beside Tennessee as the historical pillars of the SEC. if you have that vision what does Tennessee offer you that you can have at SC
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Carolyn Peck was the first African-American female coach to win a national title.
 
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maxvolfan said:
She built a winning program. Everyone knows she's nowhere near what Pat built but she has a program equal to what we have right now. Now we have to battle for supremacy in the SEC where as before it was a cake walk.
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Walk backwards much.....
 
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SCGamecock said:
Dawn makes a base salary of 1.1 million and will receive a bonus of almost $600,000 when it's all said and done.

She will have made almost $2 million coaching basketball at the University of South Carolina.

And you know she's about to get a base pay bump for winning the national title AND being the current Women's National Team coach (an exposure/accolade chest bump for UofSC)..

Her base pay could hit the 1.5-1.7 range next year. Any school coming after Dawn is going to need to top that and very few can and/or are willing to for Women's Basketball.
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Keep thinking that way and you WILL lose her.....
 
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I will have to admit that I was impressed by the way South Carolina continued to extend their lead over Mississippi State, winning by 2, then 10 and then 12, but they also had a number of games that were significantly closer than they should have been during the season.

Before people crown Dawn Staley as the next coming of Pat Summitt, it might be better to see what happens over the next 3-4 years. Will she be able to bring in the next A'ja Wilson and, if not, will she be able to meld a group of quality players, without a superstar, into a team that is able to win it all? Right now the possibilities seem like they are there, but some of the same things have been said about other coaches in the past (Mulkey, Frese, McGraw for example) and only one, other than Pat Summitt and Geno Auriemma, has won multiple championships. And both times, Kim Mulkey had the dominant player in WCBB on her team at the time. Additionally, despite having the dominant player in Griner on her team, Mulkey was only able to win one championship in that four year period. Her team only made two final fours during that period.

Given that Coach Staley has the team that won the championship returning next season, a good first step would be to repeat, or, at least, get to the final game. But, history has shown how difficult that prospect truly is!

Jim
 
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