Days like today make Obama more likely

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Price of oil per barrell up almost $11 in a single day, which means gas by Monday will be close to $4.10 a gallon or so, more if you are in a bad spot. Dow is off over 300 points.

As long as this keeps up, Obama can just sit tight and keep his mouth shut and people will vote for him just to take a shot at getting some relief.
 
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how is he going to bring any relief? He's promised to make it more expensive for the oil companies to do business and they'll just pass that on to the consumer.
 
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Oh, and capping prices won't work either. That will just create artificial shortages.

Obama, should he win, will be nothing short of a second Carter administration.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Price of oil per barrell up almost $11 in a single day, which means gas by Monday will be close to $4.10 a gallon or so, more if you are in a bad spot. Dow is off over 300 points.

As long as this keeps up, Obama can just sit tight and keep his mouth shut and stupid people will vote for him because they absurdly believe that it somehow gives them a shot a fuel price relief.
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I completely agree with this idea. The same stupid people probably have no idea that he's going to kill them in taxes. They'll be so excited about their universal, yet shoddy, healthcare that they won't realize that they're actually much poorer for it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I completely agree with this idea. The same stupid people probably have no idea that he's going to kill them in taxes. They'll be so excited about their universal, yet shoddy, healthcare that they won't realize that they're actually much poorer for it.
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I have asked others this before but not you. Can you explain how you, as an individual, will being paying higher taxes under what Obama has proposed as his federal tax plan? I'm not being confrontational, just seriously asking.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I have asked others this before but not you. Can you explain how you, as an individual, will being paying higher taxes under what Obama has proposed as his federal tax plan? I'm not being confrontational, just seriously asking.
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Cap gains will likely double and the rates above certain income levels have been promised to increase. I don't see congress pushing back.

Additionally, I think many who don't expect to get sucked into the new tax vortex will, because pounding only certain brackets just won't pay for all of the 'change' that BHO has promised.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Cap gains will likely double and the rates above certain income levels have been promised to increase. I don't see congress pushing back.

Additionally, I think many who don't expect to get sucked into the new tax vortex will, because pounding only certain brackets just won't pay for all of the 'change' that BHO has promised.
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So is it fair to say that federal income tax hikes on the middle class (from lower to upper) at this point is only a speculation? Albeit an educated expectation on what BHO has proposed.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
So is it fair to say that federal income tax hikes on the middle class (from lower to upper) at this point is only a speculation? Albeit an educated expectation on what BHO has proposed.
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no. the upper middle class is going to get hammered under BHO and this congress. Hammered meaning a lot.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
no. the upper middle class is going to get hammered under BHO and this congress. Hammered meaning a lot.
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Isn't the ceiling for the upper middle at 200K household? I thought that group was under the BHO threshold.

And I will also explain that since the candidates for each party are now decided, it's time to learn the nuts and bolts of each. What I've found out so far (and frankly new it already) is that BHO isn't as liberal as portrayed and JSM3 isn't as conservative as portrayed.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Isn't the ceiling for the upper middle at 200K household? I thought that group was under the BHO threshold.

And I will also explain that since the candidates for each party are now decided, it's time to learn the nuts and bolts of each. What I've found out so far (and frankly new it already) is that BHO isn't as liberal as portrayed and JSM3 isn't as conservative as portrayed.
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if you really believe that BHO and a Pelosi/Reid led congress are going to stop at 200K, you're kidding yourself.
 
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MG1968 said:
if you really believe that BHO and a Pelosi/Reid led congress are going to stop at 200K, you're kidding yourself.
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All you have to go on is what the candidates propose. Everything else is speculation and guessing about both candidates.

And for the record, I believe the BHO plan is to start at 250.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
All you have to go on is what the candidates propose. Everything else is speculation and guessing about both candidates.

And for the record, I believe the BHO plan is to start at 250.
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Ummm...you might could also go on what they have previously done, or even their lack of previously done things.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
All you have to go on is what the candidates propose. Everything else is speculation and guessing about both candidates.

And for the record, I believe the BHO plan is to start at 250.
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how many people in the US make over 250K? It's less than 5% of the wage earning population. Why would you force a minority of the population to foot the bill for the majority?
 
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allvol123 said:
Ummm...you might could also go on what they have previously done, or even their lack of previously done things.
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Can you point me to information on what JSM3 and BHO have done on federal taxes previously? I'd really like to read that information (seriously).
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Can you point me to information on what JSM3 and BHO have done on federal taxes previously? I'd really like to read that information (seriously).
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Serisously I can't. But you don't need to know what they've done if anything on federal taxes necessarily. Their spending ideaology in general would suffice. If the government spends money it comes from us, either indirectly or directly.
 
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MG1968 said:
how many people in the US make over 250K? It's less than 5% of the wage earning population. Why would you force a minority of the population to foot the bill for the majority?
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Everyone that dislikes BHO points primarily to "taxing us to death". I'm asking, based on your personal income, how the BHO is increasing your federal taxes.

I'm not to the point of debating the fairness of the plan.
 
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allvol123 said:
Serisously I can't. But you don't need to know what they've done if anything on federal taxes necessarily. Their spending ideaology in general would suffice. If the government spends money it comes from us, either indirectly or directly.
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I agree, spending money means it must come from somewhere. But I don't believe JSM3 is proposing a substantially lower federal budget than BHO?

I am really looking forward to the town hall meetings. I think my candidate will come from those discussions.
 
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