Death over 2 cents; luckily, government insurance steps in

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utgibbs said:
It is well-known Cuba put an emphasis on good health and good doctors. They are recognized as heroes throughout the Southern Cone with their equivalent of Doctors sans Frontiers. It is common knowledge Cuba has fantastic health coverage - an island nation placed under the most extreme economic embargo of all time.

The only "data manipulation" that goes on is in your heads when you see facts which don't jive with your ideology.
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didn't bother to read the article i posted I guess.
 
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MG1968 said:
he has wikipedia and Michael Moore, what did you bring to the debate?
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agreed many of us wouldn't mind bringing own bedsheets, soap, towels, food, light bulbs if we could get healthcare as great as cuban.
 
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MG1968 said:
you keep throwing "supermajority" out there gibbs, I've yet to see you provide any evidence that 66% of the US population wants free health care
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I've done it several times.

Medicare for All: Chart of Americans Support

And as I've said many times, when "citizen juries" are informed of the real facts, the verdict goes up to 80%:

Two-thirds of Americans support Medicare-for-all (#2 of 6) - PNHP's Official Blog

I've done this so often. You will get called out as intellectually dishonest next time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This debate remains, imo, somewhat academic.

Single payor is simply inevitable.
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it will happen, the more people that give up individual responsibility the more they will rely on the government.

Hussein has done more in these past 2 years in destroying America from within than all of the wars put together.

we were warned, who was the russian dictator who said they would destroy America from within? he was right on the money.
 
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utgibbs said:
I've done it several times.

Medicare for All: Chart of Americans Support

And as I've said many times, when "citizen juries" are informed of the real facts, the verdict goes up to 80%:

Two-thirds of Americans support Medicare-for-all (#2 of 6) - PNHP's Official Blog

I've done this so often. You will get called out as intellectually dishonest next time.
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ooh, I'm scared now. A marxist apologist is going to call me intellectually dishonest.

that's really funny.

Freak should go ahead and ban me for life.
 
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joevol320 said:
it will happen, the more people that give up individual responsibility the more they will rely on the government.
Hussein has done more in these past 2 years in destroying America from within than all of the wars put together.

we were warned, who was the russian dictator who said they would destroy America from within? he was right on the money.
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This is another ideological misconception. A single payer system FOCUSES more attention on individual responsibility. It has a deep need for efficiency. And the numbers speak for themselves.

No individual is shirking responsibilities by paying taxes. The fact that these cost actually lower their insurance costs, provide universal coverage, AND improve the health and lives of all Americans is about as far from shirking responsibility as it comes.

It's not only about grafting together for the greater good, it's just plain smart.
 
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droski said:
didn't bother to read the article i posted I guess.
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So, you've posted a National Review article with a known Cuban dissident with not one shred of data who is well-funded by USAID to do "Chicago Boys" style research for a post-Castro Cuba.

An Overview of the Cuban Jewish community-an interview with Jaime Suchlicki - UPIU.com

http://www6.miami.edu/Iccas/Docs/BBC Interview2.pdf

ICCAS funding has dubbed Jaime the "six million dollar man!"

Thankee for playing! :hi:
 
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utgibbs said:
So, you've posted a National Review article with a known Cuban dissident with not one shred of data who is well-funded by USAID to do "Chicago Boys" style research for a post-Castro Cuba.

An Overview of the Cuban Jewish community-an interview with Jaime Suchlicki - UPIU.com

http://www6.miami.edu/Iccas/Docs/BBC Interview2.pdf

ICCAS funding has dubbed Jaime the "six million dollar man!"

Thankee for playing! :hi:
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He has far more connection with Cuba and what is going on there than you will ever be. All you have is the garbage printed by Workers' World, Granma, and other communist mouthpiece rags.
 
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MG1968 said:
He has far more connection with Cuba and what is going on there than you will ever be. All you have is the garbage printed by Workers' World, Granma, and other communist mouthpiece rags.
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Today among my sources are:

The World Bank (that's a mouthpiece for YOUR point of view)
The World Health Organization
Physicians for a National Health Program

The article was exactly what I described (before reading): anecdotal. Moreover, when I read who and where the major source of a National Review article came from, it wasn't hard to discover who was behind it and who was funding it. Everybody knows the US funnels money to dissident Cubans in Miami to churn out propaganda! It's not rocket science. Sources and citations matter. I've delivered sources and data from a rich variety of viewpoints and organizations. You've delivered anecdotes from National Review and then suggest I've been quoting Socialist Review and Grandma.

In the immortal words of Yoda: That is why you fail.
 
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fl0at said:
Hey look, "gibbs-erish."
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I noticed a slammed the door shut on the moderately informed debate in this thread. Leaving up to the rest to (try) to make puns.

In the immortal words of Yoda: That is why you fail.
 
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utgibbs said:
I noticed a slammed the door shut on the moderately informed debate in this thread. Leaving up to the rest to (try) to make puns.

In the immortal words of Yoda: That is why you fail.
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You are a legend... In your own mind that is.

Have you ever lived abroad or been to these countries you tout as having the best socialistic medicine and real world success that you so passionately defend?
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
You are a legend... In your own mind that is.

Have you ever lived abroad or been to these countries you tout as having the best socialistic medicine and real world success that you so passionately defend?
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I think the better question is whether he used the county public health department to vaccinate his children, or his personal, private practice pediatrician.
 
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utgibbs said:
A supermajority want "Medicare for All" and have for some time.

But this is the second time ni 20 years we've tried an overhaul, and still haven't got it right.

The logic and the data are inevitable. US politics are not though. Maybe in another decade the third time will be the charm.
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Yes. This was certainly proven by the poll that counts last November.
 
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The current system is unsustainable. We are blessed to live in a time when the technolgoy and advances in medicine are coming so fast... It is not inconceivable that in our lifetimes there will be serious inroads made in, for lack of a better word, "curing" cancer.

But it takes a ton of jack to get us there. And then to pay for it when its available. As long as we have what is in essence a self-invented middle man running the financial aspect of health care, we are literally spending dollars on that which could be used for care and research.

Eventually, people will come to realize that it makes no sense.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The current system is unsustainable.
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As opposed to a system where everyone gets high quality health care? Certainly sounds sustainable. Can't imagine that being hard to pull off, seeing as the economy is so strong and all.
 
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